Ninja seems a bit broken

[Leonus]

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As of right now mnk still puts out higher damage, which is never a negative thing.

Ninja may not have to build GL3 but don't let it fool you that they aren't pressed to maintain it, because they are, it's a dps loss if they don't, just like mnks and each time they mess up a mudra combo that's damage lost and sets back the rotation by one every time.

Also people are really over glorifying the 10% damage increase from TA. It's up for 10 seconds and then down for the next 50 assuming the nin doesn't screw up Suiton to put it up again.

Drg gives almost a 100% uptime to increase brds damage, which adds up to a lot over the course of a fight. If you so ha ppen to duo mnk on boosts the other with a almost 100% uptime on dragon kick. Which does a lot over the course of the fight.

Nothing has changed as far as old party setups go, it's just now there is another OPTION (because that is what nin is) that has been added to the mix. It doesn't mean that people should just ignore the other classes. Especially when they still have things to offer to a party.

Just my take on it.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Wait for NIN-stacking (or finding the optimal ratio of NINs given 4-6 DPS). We'll soon see adjustments to Trick Attack just like they "adjusted" Virus when it catches on. Then you can claim it's broken.

[Ephier]

Wait for NIN-stacking (or finding the optimal ratio of NINs given 4-6 DPS). We'll soon see adjustments to Trick Attack just like they "adjusted" Virus when it catches on. Then you can claim it's broken.

Quite sure if and when they nerf trick attack they will do as you said. 60 second no vulnerability up.

[aabe]

We actually did T11 with a NIN and they really were not very far behind than they were on MNK, not even counting trick attack, with a 110 weapon and an i90 acc vs full BiS on their MNK. Though, T11 requires a lot of skill as melee with the boss movement and positionals and NIN might as well not have any.
Goads support ability has shaped up to be amazing, though. NIN effectively adds even more DPS through the BRD. BRD is extremely TP inefficient, so actually runs out soonest especially with good proc RNG, and doesn't gain the effect of their own battlevoice.
Now when you get goad you can top up yourself and the raid with 25 seconds of BV Paeon, compared to before, where you'd have to play for longer to let your own TP fill up.

[Butcherboy]

I think the ninja will come close to mnk as far as dmg goes and this with the job only being out in a week. just imagine when players actually figure out an optimal rotation for both burst and regular roation. time will tell. I think in my opinion ninja will b there along with mnk and smn pulling high numbers.

[GunnarWolfram]

I did a rough simulation based on the numbers we know for damage and potency and auto attack and found that in an ideal world with no misses and no down time a monk will always out DPS a ninja because a monks Auto Attacks will always be greater than any other DPS class due to the 52% bonus in damage a monk can obtain. However the more a monk loses its grease lightning stacks the more even it makes NIN til a point where NIN will surpass it.

Bottom line: Monk will always win in non phase changing / low movement fights, but things even out the more a monk has to refresh GL3 and dodge attacks.

[Leonus]

I did a rough simulation based on the numbers we know for damage and potency and auto attack and found that in an ideal world with no misses and no down time a monk will always out DPS a ninja because a monks Auto Attacks will always be greater than any other DPS class due to the 52% bonus in damage a monk can obtain. However the more a monk loses its grease lightning stacks the more even it makes NIN til a point where NIN will surpass it.

Bottom line: Monk will always win in non phase changing / low movement fights, but things even out the more a monk has to refresh GL3 and dodge attacks.

I know mnk will generally always out dps nin, but can you explain the extra 52% bonus? Or is that relative to mnks 32% overall attack bonus vs nins 20% attack bonus? Cause if it is then that makes sense.

[Viridiana]

I know mnk will generally always out dps nin, but can you explain the extra 52% bonus? Or is that relative to mnks 32% overall attack bonus vs nins 20% attack bonus? Cause if it is then that makes sense.

27% GL
10% TS
10% DK
5% FoF

[Leonus]

Ah, I thought we were going straight off of gl3+FoF vs Huton+KotV/W.

So it boils down to mnks 52% damage buff vs nins 26% or so damage increase (dancing edge is -10% slashing debuff which equates to around 6-7% damage increase right?)

Anyway, this is good, maybe people can stop saying nin is OP?

[SeraviEdalborez]

27% GL
10% TS
10% DK
5% FoF

DK (and SE/DE for NIN) isn't a straight +10% though. It would be better to just compare what the difference is between the two; DK and SE/DE is the same, speed of Huton vs GL3 is the same. You're mostly comparing the damage of 42% (GL Snakes FoF) to NIN's 20% (Kiss) and higher overall potencies.