Ninja seems a bit broken

[Ricdeau]

Whoops. Missed verification after it went live that it includes skills. None the less, mnk still has more than enough oomph on paper as has already been described above and what it lacks from mnk in raw power it makes up in trick attack, more reasonable stun and silence options, and tank slashing buff. Just play mnk with a nin to give them free tp. This game has done a brilliant job to encourage synergy over stacking a single job. In the VAST majority of all cases whm+sch is better than doubles. War+pld better than doubles. 4 of 1 dps is inferior to a number of more rounded out setups and nin looks to expand this concept instead of crap on it.

Ironically, mnk is the only dps you could have 4 of and give other combinations a run for their money in raw power, but is so limited in other non-combat qualities that it's not practical.

Oh, I wasn't arguing that ninja is broken or over power...or even under powered. Real testing will have to be done to determine where it stands. I was just simply stating that GCD between monk and ninja should be roughly the same due to Huton pending uptime of course. Eyeball comparisons of skills and potency alone won't tell us anything until we get some real hands on testing to see uptimes on buffs or the frequency at which you'll be able to use certain skills.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

Ninja also has a 15% increased attack speed from Huton which is the same as GL3. The real question is if they can keep that going for majority of the fight. If you can keep it up then their GCD is no different than monk.

Greased lightning increases damage and speed. Keep calm>> level monk

[Ricdeau]

Greased lightning increases damage and speed. Keep calm>> level monk

Keep calm? I wasn't mad, if you look at what I was replying to I was just explaining that the attack speed buff for ninja is the same as monk's so the there's not really a difference the GCD as the previous poster claimed...nothing more. I have no opinion on the current state of ninjas as of yet.

[Marionette]

Ninja also has a 15% increased attack speed from Huton which is the same as GL3. The real question is if they can keep that going for majority of the fight. If you can keep it up then their GCD is no different than monk.

Yeah but greased lightning isn't only the attack speed, it also gives 9% (27% for three stacks) worth of damage, with twin snakes up it's also an additional 10%, then another 5% for fist of fire. so even with the poison boost, mnk still has 12% higher damage than nin statistically. Counting out dancing edge with dragon kicks boost. As well as Trick attack, which is up 1/6th of the time at best, and affects everyone not just the nin. Mnk is still outdoing it for raw damage. Ergo nin has some higher potency

[Ricdeau]

Yeah but greased lightning isn't only the attack speed, it also gives 9% (27% for three stacks) worth of damage, with twin snakes up it's also an additional 10%, then another 5% for fist of fire. so even with the poison boost, mnk still has 12% higher damage than nin statistically. Counting out dancing edge with dragon kicks boost. As well as Trick attack, which is up 1/6th of the time at best, and affects everyone not just the nin. Mnk is still outdoing it for raw damage. Ergo nin has some higher potency

Did none of you read the context in which I was replying? Please read the whole comment and what was said after before quoting. I was pointing out that ninja gets 15% increased attack speed just like monk so their GCD should be roughly equal. In case you can't be bothered to actually read:

You can't just compare potency like that. Mnk has much lower gcd.you are really devaluing mnk

I made no other comments that ninja is imbalanced one way or another. In fact, I said I have no opinion on it yet because it's so early. I merely pointed out that his comment was incorrect in that monks have much lower GCDs. We do not, we have roughly the same because of Huton. Don't think that just because I'm a monk that I'm all up in arms about ninja. I'm more up in arms that a couple of you just cherry picking a comment, but can't be bothered to actually read the context in which was made...which was all on the same page.

[silentwindfr]

I made no other comments that ninja is imbalanced one way or another. In fact, I said I have no opinion on it yet because it's so early. I merely pointed out that his comment was incorrect in that monks have much lower GCDs. We do not, we have roughly the same because of Huton. Don't think that just because I'm a monk that I'm all up in arms about ninja. I'm more up in arms that a couple of you just cherry picking a comment, but can't be bothered to actually read the context in which was made...which was all on the same page.

i can confirm this, i have both at about the same ilevel (1-2 ilevel of difference) and under huton, my gcd is the same than monk.

[Nexxus]

Ninja also has a debuff 10% damage taken on target for 10s that profit the whole party, depending on the dmg of others DPS it can probably concur on the DPS loss from buff.

[Hyrist]

Ninja also has a debuff 10% damage taken on target for 10s that profit the whole party, depending on the dmg of others DPS it can probably concur on the DPS loss from buff.

That's highly situational, its' dependant on hide which prevents its use during combat unless you're off the hate table. Unless I'm missing a trait somewhere that throws Ninja into Stealth mid-combat.

[Nexxus]

You miss that buff from Raiton that allow use of sneak/trick attack without hide.

[Hyrist]

You miss that buff from Raiton that allow use of sneak/trick attack without hide.

Had to do some digging to realize you were talking about Suiton.

We'll have to see how it functions in actual execution to see if it's actually overpowered. I still find myself doubting it plays as broken as it is implied by the base. However, even if it is, they've had a pretty good adjustment track record so far. They'll likely bring other classes up in line by Spring.