BR vs SC.... missing the point

[Benjaman]

A lot of people are talking about battle regimens and why they should be replaced by FFXI-like skillchains (or why they shouldnt be). A lot of people seem to understand the need for this replacement, but for everyone else saying that BR's are just as viable in battle or even more viable, let me spell it out for you

BATTLE. REGIMENS. ARE. BORING!

While this isn't entirely the fault of the battle regimen system itself, having an automated queue-based system with 0 timing doesn't exactly help its "fun" factor.

There are 2 more fundamental problems which apply to the entire battle system

1. TP is too easy to generate, allowing skills that require TP to be spammed almost every other second from each player, losing its importance. I can build up my TP to 3000 in 2 or 3 offensive moves (provided they hit). I'm ok with wasting my TP like this because I don't feel that making the best use of my TP is that important since it is so easy to aquire.

Solution: Lower the rate of TP gain. Make skills that use TP stronger.

2. Current skills using TP are incredibly lackluster in the sound and visual departments. To explain my point abstractly, imagine the following FFXI weaponskills being used: King's Justice, Death Blossom, Tachi: Gecko, Raging Fists, and Shark Bite (or whatever you can think of). Now imagine the following FFXIV skills being used: Puncture, Haymaker, Bloodletter, Maim, Trunksplitter (or whatever you can think of). If you imagined the FFXI weaponskills (don't forget the chains that can be made with them) as much more interesting to watch/execute, you probably got my point.
If not, maybe I'm wrong and FFXIV skills are way more fun to use!

Solution: do solution 1 first, then make FFXIV skills have visual/sounds that make them more fun to use.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that these abilities need to be more "flashy".

[Rinsui]

Battle regimens are skillchains for retarded children using their controller with their tongue.
Since tongues tend to be slippery, the timing part of skillchains had to be eliminated.

[Suzaku]

And heck, you can even keep the stamina gauge.

[viion]

I hate BR, I never use it and will never participate in it because its just so badly designed.

You can die to easily, it locks you up, the animations (if any) suck balls, its a friggen queuing system theres absolute no skill invovled. Its flawed to fuck.

[kukurumei]

Well they are changing the whole system because everything sucks about it.

[Suzaku]

You know what game has fun, fast-paced, dynamic combat that also involves a stamina gauge (though it acts more like MP) and timing a good number of abilities to fire off--including abilities from different classes that have effects that play off of each other?

Dragon Age II. Yes, I know it's an offline game, but as I play it I can't help but feel that it's a whole lot closer to what the FFXIV battle system was intended to feel like than the FFXIV battle system itself.

Also, most fun mage in a video game EVER.

[arlee]

thing is its retarded you can;t do anything else when you are que'd in the BR, so annoying and boring. needs to be changed to something more dynamic and that actually requires timing

[Alcide]

The point is why making another BR vs SC thread?

I won't even bother reading, i already know the summary is "BR sucks, SC wins, blah blah blah"

You know what? You can't use BR, you're dumb, that's it.

[Benjaman]

The point is why making another BR vs SC thread?

I won't even bother reading, i already know the summary is "BR sucks, SC wins, blah blah blah"

You know what? You can't use BR, you're dumb, that's it.

Congratulations! You missed the point entirely! It probably has something to do with that not even bothering to read thing. Let me see if I can spell it out even further for you and the other special people out there.

People (including myself) can use BR. Used properly, it is a viable tool for battle in terms of getting the job done. My argument is that it is very, very boring to use, watch, and otherwise experience.

boring = not fun

I play mmorpgs to have fun.

Do you understand? This is very important.

If you aren't going to read the post, then please don't bother to reply.

[Alcide]

Congratulations! You missed the point entirely! It probably has something to do with that not even bothering to read thing. Let me see if I can spell it out even further for you and the other special people out there.

People (including myself) can use BR. Used properly, it is a viable tool for battle in terms of getting the job done. My argument is that it is very, very boring to use, watch, and otherwise experience.

boring = not fun

I play mmorpgs to have fun.

Do you understand? This is very important.

If you aren't going to read the post, then please don't bother to reply.

Uhm actually that was one of the few part I read and me and everyone I know in game totally disagree.
We find BR the funniest thing of the whole battle system, coz it's easy to do but open to tons of possibilities, we spent a lot of hour experimenting with it, we found out amazing things, we had great times testing and we are having great times doing them during fights.

The sum is the same, you're complaining about something you didn't bother to test and understand.