Paladin 2.4 BiS?

[MythToken]

I really dont remember since its been so long, but i thought it was more along the lines of 30-40 per 1%.

Wild guess don't quote me on that.

[Kenji1134]

13-14 per 1% can't be correct. At 646 parry my rate was 17%. Even considering using HA shield that's no where near 13-14 per 1%.

Paladin is not a good candidate to perform testing on parry returns, since blocking takes priority and will artificially deflate the parry numbers.
Lets assume that Paladin and Warrior get the same % chance returns for a given amount of Parry. Since Warrior can only parry, they will see the full rate.

That said, the base value for parry, offhand, is 341 at lvl 50 for a tank. So (646-341)/13.5 = 22.6% chance above the base value, whatever that is.
However your observed 17% is really attacks that were not blocked, but were parried. You would have also seen some attacks which were blocked, but could have "potentially" been parried had the block failed... Warrior does not have this extra probability to deal with.
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Did some testing on War.
523 parry w/ gear. Base parry at 50 is 341.
Out of 434 attacks that landed, 97 were parried, which is 22.6%
If we go by an average of 13.5 parry for 1%, given my 22.6% observed rate, the base value should be about 9.1%, um, I'll test that in a bit.
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And MORE data!
At 341 parry, so no parry on any gear, vs lvl 5 Yarzon Feeders... cause they were around...
472 hits, 46 parried, which gives us a rate of 9.746%, pretty close to what I calculated before, though I guess it may be closer to 14 points for 1%, rather than 13.5 or so... Anyway, the math is good enough.

That said, with NO parry on your gear, you have a ~9.7% chance to parry for -25% (assuming normal STR gear), which is 2.43% mitigation in the long run.
With my 523 parry, I saw a 22.6% chance, so that's 5.65% mitigation.
Lets say I have 700 parry, off a 341 base, at a rate of 1% chance for every 14 points, and reduce incoming by 25%... That would be 9.7%+(700-341)/14% = 35.34% chance, and 25% reduction on parry gives us 8.84% mitigation.

So NO parry is a baseline of 2.43%, a TON of parry is 8.84%... That is an effective gain of... 1-(1-.0884)/(1-.0243) = 6.57% less incoming melee damage!

Good, bad, worth it?
For tanks, especially Paladins if you consider Flash's inability to crit, the next best thing after parry would most likely be Det, then Crit. So if we drop ALL the parry gear and get Det and Crit instead, focusing on Det where possible, will that increase our damage by more than 6.57%? To at least "break" even in terms of damage gained vs mitigation lost.

#MathMan(MathTank)HathSpoken!

[MythToken]

I think your base value doesn't make sense.

341/13.5 = 25%


which if we assume thats true you would see 1/4 of all attacks parried as a warrior. And increasing to 682 would take you to a theoretical 1/2 of all attacks parried.

Which would probably be the max parry you should ever shoot for, unless you want to go for 1023 parry and 3/4 of all attacks are parried.

Warrior only

[SirTaint]

Damage gained vs mitigation lost are two very different things.

Parry is used for mob auto attacks which require very little healing. Big attacks will be mitigated by Abilites.

Parry leads to over healing more then anything.

Damage always helps.

DET is by far the best stat for tanks.

[Belandrus]

People keep saying that parry is only for auto attacks but I'd like to assert that this is untrue. Last night, I parried Resonance on T11.

I do see the merits in the three sub stats and feel like role as tank, boss, and whether it is on farm or progression make stat weights situational at best.

Best thing to do in my opinion is flexibly swap in gear as required.

[Belandrus]

I know the argument is that big hits are compensated by heals and cooldowns but in progression its very rarely clean and a little bit of RNJesus goes a long way.

[SirTaint]

I know the argument is that big hits are compensated by heals and cooldowns but in progression its very rarely clean and a little bit of RNJesus goes a long way.

Progression is a different scenario altogether. I 100% agree. I wore Parry gear in T10 this week, I won't next week. Same will happen with T11, tonight I'll be in Parry gear. Once the fight is figured out it is no longer aiding the clear.

Things could be different for T12,13 as there is zero discussion on those turns yet. (I highly doubt it though)

[Jesden]

Ok, I did some build testing on Ariyala, utilising a best Parry/Acc combo + food in order to hit the t12 acc rating of 550 that Bluegartr have reported on their thread and this is what I came up with: Here
ends up with:
Acc: 553
Vit: 731 (9710 HP)
Parry: 643
Det: 238
Crit: 409

Until we get reports of t13, I am going to continue basing numbers on 550, given that both t8/9 share an acc cap, though obviously I could be wrong.

Bluegartr post

Also, as a point on the parry not being useful in non-progression content, I present this post from this forum: Parry in FCoB it appears that parry is indeed going to be more useful in t12 than previously.

[xvshanevx]

No matter what anyone tells you about Parry or DPS gear, always listen to your healers. The best advice I have read on here came from 1 healer and he mentioned something along these lines:

"No matter the end, we either look out for BIG damage (WHM) or preemptively wait out damage (SCH).
I'd rather see our tanks doing a small amount of additional DPS to help push phases,
then to have to wait to heal them."
-paraphrased from some healer here on the forums.

As for your set-up, damn near nailed what I had planned out. The only difference is that I will, hopefully, be using the STR DPS wrists and neck.

[Mykll]

Everyone has obviously missed something. For Roe PLDs, the best in slot shield is a Lalafell PLD, and best in slot weapon is a Lalafell WAR. Does not work with smaller races.