Please do NOT alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

[Eloah]

I see, I think...

Yeah it sounds like you get what I meant. And you are right FF developers do avoid "typical" anime aesthetics. Ironically, even Tifa.

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You may have a bit of a point. I do know it might also stem from personal and professional lives being viewed and perceived separately, where as in American they are viewed together. That effects our perception of "sexy" in our individual cultures.


Some people seem to forget, just in general, that both men and women have their own strengths and weaknesses. And honestly, men have more weaknesses than women; remember guys in genetics female is the default, men are genetically inferior by design. I think it would be funny if SE incorperated notions like this into the game. Ironically, since we are talking about Dark Knight, females would make better tanks since they naturally have better endurence, ie higher HP. Men would be better melee DPS because of better overall strength, and Casters, Healers and ranged DPS, would be about even. This is all just basing things on genetics, not individuals. It's just a funny idea I thought about because of all this back and forth I've seen.

[Niwashi]

I don't think job designs should be modest, i think they should look good. Sexy looks good. Powerful, also looks good. Why is it bad for male characters to look powerful, and for female characters to look sexy?

It's only bad when it's a mismatch. Yes, sexy can look good, and there is (and should be) armour that makes both men and women look sexy. Yes, powerful also looks good, and there is (and should be) armour that makes both men and women look powerful. Looking both powerful and sexy at the same time is good when you can pull it off (though it's a bit harder than going for one look or the other), and it's good when a set of gear can make both men and women look powerful and sexy. The problem only comes up when a set of armour doesn't do the same thing for both genders. Making one gender look powerful while making the other just look sexy is unfair to both because neither is getting the look the other can get.

As for female characters looking feminine and male characters looking masculine, they can accomplish that just by making sure the armour fits properly on all character models. No gender specific changes to make one more sexy than the other is needed.

[Yoruichi4478]

I have to agree, armour should look the same regardless of the character's gender.

[Nestama]

Clearly practicality is not the primary concern when designing new gear. :P

He has a shield, he's fiiiine. I also continued on with my sentence how the AF armour would stab into the female characters chest if they so much as twisted or bent their body (assuming the gear is "skin tight") :P

[Kosmos992k]

I have to agree, armour should look the same regardless of the character's gender.

Why? As someone else pointed out, this DRK AF gear on a ROE , Au Ra, Elezen or Highlander male would look imposing and powerful, but on a Lala? Or an Au Ra or Miqo'te female? Not so much. The point that several people made, including myself is that females can look powerful, but not by simply donning a smaller copy of what the males wear. Female power is every bit as real as male, but it's not the same, so why would their armor be the same?

It's funny that rather than celebrate differences and different types of power, so many people want to rail-road females into being mere copies of the males. Why? Why not instead give females the respect of exhibiting their power in a way unique to females? And no, that does not mean belly windows or bikini armor, it simply means having armor suited to females instead of using the male armor and 'making it work'.

Personally I think that suppressing the gender difference and relegating females to being smaller copies of the male form is extremely disrespectful and treats femininity as something to be surpressed. I think that *all* of the AF gear ought to have a version for males and an appropriately styled version for females; that maintains the look of the set for BOTH genders.

[Samcaesar]

Gosh, this thread is reminding me so much of Kate Beaton's "Powerful Female Characters" comics so much. >_>

[TruebladeNuke]

In the end, somehow a discussion about making armor in a video game not cater to the typical 'women's armor must look sexy to be women's armor' has devolved into talks of misogyny and other stuff ^^ We'll all see soon enough and we'll have to be happy with whatever SE has decided (though I'm betting female DRK armor will be just like female WAR and PLD armor -- basically the same).

Sounds like typical forums to me.

I've already stated my own opinion earlier in this thread, but I'll say again that I'll probably be laughing my head off if the DRK armor ends up looking a bit skimpy, because the rage that'll ensue if it happens... hee hee.

I'll also say again that even though I'd be laughing about that, I'd still prefer it if the DRK remained looking like that art picture on the first post for female avatars, and I'm fairly certain it will, given that the tank armor for WAR looks unchanged at all and PLD armor is literally only a 1% difference. (Equip all PLD unique armor, and then remove the chest piece to see the difference on the pants) So again, being Tank armor? Yeah, I don't see it being modeled to be skimpy by any means.

On a side note, this thread is STILL going? Where's my lemonade?

[SpookyGhost]

He has a shield, he's fiiiine.

There's a reason "Block" is a stat. Most of the time, PLD is taking those hits straight to the face.

[Nestama]

Mostly fine, then?

[SpookyGhost]

Mostly fine, then?

Mostly.

It's actually more realistic, though, since his stance as a knight is really flimsy for defense (most of the attack animations literally have you move the shield aside, which isn't very smart) so he literally isn't blocking most of the hits. Maybe Dark Knights are just PLDs who realized they weren't even bothering with the shield 99% of the time to begin with.