Is this game too easy?

[Whiteprincess]

It really depends on the ppl you play with. You may be one of the best players in the game, but the others players make things hard mode or not.... on easy, mid, hard content. So if its hard content you want.... play with ppl who wont silver spoon feed ya all the wins =P

[Sheele]

This is a rough estimate from my experience. Assuming a sample of 20 people:
1 to 3 will have cleared t9 and claim to easy.
4 to 6 will be between t6 and t9 and claim fair.
9 or so people will be at titan ex/t5 unable to clear, claim to hard.
Any one else is has not progressed far enough, or has payed for a clear, so omitted from estimate.

[Renik]

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Dark souls was a joke, and i don't find boss battles here interesting at all, old games were more annoying than hard, because these made you repeat a good chunk of content after every fail, and people only have difficulty because the game is based on perfect team play and memory, which excludes them from a big part of the content.

It's fun seeing people here talking about player skill when this game requires more timing than skill, timing to be one of the firsts players trying out the new content before a youtube guide pops and everything turns into learning a pattern and dealing with others.

Take this as constructive feedback, they only have to rethink the battle design, more reactive AI, a bit of controlled randomness, and less predictable scripts.

[Stihllodeing]

Yes they can. Almost all old arcade games were scripted and hard as hell. Ninja gaiden was considered a hard game but every enemy position and attack was scripted. Dark souls, it all comes down to learning the attack pattern of the enemies.

A fight being hard or easy has little to do with it being scripted or not. A fight is hard when the vast majority of the playerbase has huge difficulties with it, that's all.

I agree with this in regards to "scripted fights"

[aerolol]

While a lot of the content does depend on finding 8 other competent players, there was a slight shift from First Coil to Second Coil.

Second Coil had some random elements that tested a team/players ability to adapt, that weren't really present in First Coil. This made Second Coil much more difficult for players compared to First Coil. I'm sure Final Coil will extend on that with even more difficult mechanics.

I agree there was a shift from 1st to 2nd coil, but the most significant shift in my opinion is not the small random elements.


It's the fact that if one person doesnt know what they are doing, they will kill fellow party members causing a wipe, even if other 7 people know what they are doing.
Be it having people getting eaten by Rafflesia on T6 because you didn't bait it properly, by petrifying people on T7 because you forgot to turn around or hide behind the Renauds, or by staying (or not staying when needed) in the missiles AoE in t8, and many many things on t9 that I won't even bother listing xD

In t1-t4 if you screw up, you will probably die, but other people don't die instantly due to your mistake.
Of course it will make it harder for tanks and healers and they may get killed INDIRECTLY due to someone's mistakes, but you can't have a DPS make the entire group wipe due to one single mistake on t1-t4.
On 2nd coil it happens all the time if there is one person who doesn't know what they are doing.

Same thing applies to Ramuh ex.

I wonder how punishing 3rd coil and Shiva EX will be...

[Teslo]

Dark souls was a joke, and i don't find boss battles here interesting at all, old games were more annoying than hard, because these made you repeat a good chunk of content after every fail, and people only have difficulty because the game is based on perfect team play and memory, which excludes them from a big part of the content.

It's fun seeing people here talking about player skill when this game requires more timing than skill, timing to be one of the firsts players trying out the new content before a youtube guide pops and everything turns into learning a pattern and dealing with others.

Take this as constructive feedback, they only have to rethink the battle design, more reactive AI, a bit of controlled randomness, and less predictable scripts.

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Having a good reaction speed IS a skill. This is what it means to be skilled. That you're able to react to the things that happen in a fight. Being able to react to random elements is a different skill. Neither of these skills is superior to the other. You might be brilliant at dodging random mechanics, but you might be crap at dealing with a scripted fight. Don't get on a high horse just because you're one of the rare people who is only challenged by a mix of both.

[Exstal]

Every aspect of the game is easy the only hard thing is finding 7 other competent players

So game is hard for players who aren't good? Which is majority of the players? So game isn't easy.

[Kiara1]

This mindset boggles me. I guess it is due to availability of getting 8 other players to attempt Endgame?

I could understand someone saying that the easy content is easy for them, and they wish they could try the difficult endgame material, but to say that the entire game is easy...

Well correct me if im wrong but the current endgame is 4 bosses, which isn't a lot compared to all the dungeons and primals and all the other stuff we have in the game. So it's a small part of the entire game. So overall I think the game is too easy and like I said I can't say anything about coil, but I feel like 4 raids isn't enough hard content to say that the game is hard.

And yes I'd like to try coil but my work schedule stops me from planning ahead. And I'd rather do it with 7 ppl that I feel comfy playing with than 7 random people through party finder. I have had really bad experiences in party finder where I have had raging people in practice groups, so I try to avoid it.

[Mugiawara]

Games difficult when there's people who can get it together after 5,000 wipes.
I mean, I learned after about 3,500 wipes sheeeessshhh.

[Elim]

less predictable scripts.

Yes please.

Like I said in my other post, current endgame fights are extremely easy after you clear it once. I really hope final coil has more randomness. Farming it wont be so dull then.