Devs: A Monk front-facing combo. (Positional Requirement)

[Akamu_Aniketos]

Before:
BS > TS > SP (Back + Flank combo)
Bootshine 150 Potency + crit if from behind
Truestrike 190 Potency (Back)
Snap Punch 180 Potency (Flank)


After:
BS > TS > SP (Back + Flank combo)
Bootshine 150 Potency + crit if from behind
Truestrike 190 Potency (Back)
Snap Punch 180 Potency (Flank)

BS > TS > SP (Frontal combo)
Bootshine 150 Potency + crit 50% chance if from front
Truestrike 170 Potency (Front)
Snap Punch 160 Potency (Front)


It's not game breaking, and not hard to implement. Incentive to attack from behind remains as the priority, but gives you an option for the front.

[Dyvid]

Before:
BS > TS > SP (Back combo)
Bootshine 150 Potency + crit if from behind
Truestrike 190 Potency (back)
Snap Punch 180 Potency (back)


After:
BS > TS > SP (Back combo)
Bootshine 150 Potency + crit if from behind
Truestrike 190 Potency (back)
Snap Punch 180 Potency (back)

BS > TS > SP (Front combo)
Bootshine 150 Potency + crit 50% chance if from front
Truestrike 170 Potency (front)
Snap Punch 160 Potency (front)

It's not game breaking, and not hard to implement. Incentive to attack from behind remains as the priority, but gives you an option for the front.

Sorry but this would hurt the Monk community, not help. The second a MNK dies from Mountain buster everyone is going to ask why they were in front instead of behind.

[Akamu_Aniketos]

Sorry but this would hurt the Monk community, not help. The second a MNK dies from Mountain buster everyone is going to ask why they were in front instead of behind.

Did you even look at the values? Having a weaker combo that you can perform from the front doesn't mean everyone will automatically attack from the front.

[Houston009]

Before:
BS > TS > SP (Back combo)
Bootshine 150 Potency + crit if from behind
Truestrike 190 Potency (back)
Snap Punch 180 Potency (back)


After:
BS > TS > SP (Back combo)
Bootshine 150 Potency + crit if from behind
Truestrike 190 Potency (back)
Snap Punch 180 Potency (back)

BS > TS > SP (Front combo)
Bootshine 150 Potency + crit 50% chance if from front
Truestrike 170 Potency (front)
Snap Punch 160 Potency (front)

It's not game breaking, and not hard to implement. Incentive to attack from behind remains as the priority, but gives you an option for the front.

That Snap Punch doing 180 potency from the back doe. I've been doing it on the side this whole time, maybe I should drop my claws, and bring out the daggers.

[CGMidlander]

A front combo would mean monks will need tank accuracy to not miss.
I don't think that will be very well received.

[silentwindfr]

i will be blunt, i don't think monk need a front combo... but one combo without positional recquirement.
i'm almost amazed as no one did notice that the monk feel more like a rogue and the actual rogue feel like a monk.

the monk don't need to have position he will simply crush the enemy with him power, he don't look for tactics or stuff like this. so far at my eyes, the monk is not a monk, but more a true assassin or rogue class that will fight the enemy from side and back... when the monk must be focus on more complexe combo without relaying on the position. but well...

[Akamu_Aniketos]

i will be blunt, i don't think monk need a front combo... but one combo without positional recquirement.
i'm almost amazed as no one did notice that the monk feel more like a rogue and the actual rogue feel like a monk.

I wouldn't mind that instead of a front combo, but how would you go about doing this?

i will be blunt, i don't think monk need a front combo... but one combo without positional recquirement.
i'm almost amazed as no one did notice that the monk feel more like a rogue and the actual rogue feel like a monk.

Before the positional requirements were installed my first thought was "I am turning into a THIEF now??" "Why??" and this was over 3 years ago. A lot of people who play Monk over look this and just accept things for the way that they are and it's sad to see.

the monk don't need to have position he will simply crush the enemy with him power, he don't look for tactics or stuff like this. so far at my eyes, the monk is not a monk, but more a true assassin or rogue class that will fight the enemy from side and back... when the monk must be focus on more complexe combo without relaying on the position. but well...

EXACTLY how I think about it. Monks should be a POWERFUL force from ALL angles!

I don't remember any other game where I could fight with my fists; where my strength lies ONLY from attacking the back and sides of a mob, that's ridiculous to me. In FFXI thief's were much weaker then Monks so they had to use trick attack's and sneak attack's from the back or behind a party member for DEEP damage bursts, so it made perfect sense since they were weaker per blow. And it wasn't a big deal either because it was just 2 skills, and hell I actually thought THAT was fun, but for Monks, no. Monks should not play like thief's.

I don't mind complexity either, they could make even more complicated combos and I would like that. But being bound to heavily rely on said positions is what I don't find fun at all because it doesn't feel like I'm playing as a Monk, but as a Rogue.

[dragonfire8974]

Well... martial arts (at least the Kung fu I took) there are optimal places to land a strike on a target to do damage. It changes based on the kind of attack. How they translate that into the game is positional requirements.

Example, razor kick (with the side of the foot) not really something effective on thigh, targets are side/back of the knee and soft tissue.

Throws, holds, and sparring was most effective when getting around someone's defense, approaching from the front was far from optimal because you have lots more defense that way

[Akamu_Aniketos]

Well... martial arts (at least the Kung fu I took) there are optimal places to land a strike on a target to do damage. It changes based on the kind of attack. How they translate that into the game is positional requirements.

Example, razor kick (with the side of the foot) not really something effective on thigh, targets are side/back of the knee and soft tissue.

Throws, holds, and sparring was most effective when getting around someone's defense, approaching from the front was far from optimal because you have lots more defense that way

I see your point and I even thought about that, but now explain to me why I have no good attacks from the front?

A martial artist should be able to adapt to ALL situations as fights are spontaneous. It's very weird that a so called Monk cannot attack with any kind of authority when facing a monster head on, do you not agree?

[dragonfire8974]

I see your point and I even thought about that, but now explain to me why I have no good attacks from the front?

A martial artist should be able to adapt to ALL situations as fights are spontaneous. It's very weird that a so called Monk cannot attack with any kind of authority when facing a monster head on, do you not agree?

That's the reson, it is not optimal because all the monster's attention is facing the monk. The monk can still hurt the monster, but it takes more time and effort and is more risky because the monster can see and defend against every incoming blow. Damage is not negated, just certainly much harder to deal.

Only in anime is there an undefendable attack from the front of a target