Positional Requirements for Melee DPS

[VoltaAsura]

It's not always that simple, you might actually enjoy everything else about the job except one certain thing. Same thing applies to every aspect of the game whether fates, hunts, crafting, relic weapons or dungeons/raids etc. I actually find such things as people saying if don't enjoy x, y or z in a game then quit playing that character or quit playing the game to be very annoying. It is not black and white whether talking about classes or jobs, gameplay features or just the game in general since it is always made up of many parts, some parts/aspects of such things you might enjoy while other not so much. People would rather ask a clock they like in general to be fixed by replacing one cog rather than be told to throw the clock out despite being only that one cog they want to replace within it.

I understand what you are saying, and the easy answer/solution is to try a non melee job.

This way you don't have to worry about positional requirements quite as much.

I'm sure its safe to say that for all of us, there are things we don't like about the game, but I don't see positional requirements changing much in the near future. IF anything they are probably going to grow on the system they have already built - with new abilities / skills when the level cap is raised that require you to be in a specific position to be able to use or combo. I wouldn't expect less.

[Spartan117]

TS had too much salt for dinner?

I don't even move much to hit all the positional requirements, no need to reinvent the wheel, just shuffle between the end of the line of the target's reticle on either side, if you can't even do that then you pretty much shldn't even play anything. And I pretty much like hitting all the positionals for monk for additional damage, it's like missing positionals are good on a DDR machine and hitting one is like a perfect and u win any bard doing perfects on their rotations hands down anyday with goods.

People seems to expect the developer or the community to carebear too much for their bad skills. Getting kicked out of dungeon? Oh please both monks and dragoons have their own aoe rotations, i've nvr been kicked from a speed run. You're probably either too bad or too rude to get one.

[LionKing]

To me, lazy people just being lazy... They call themselves the true X- class lovers where X can be any class, yet they refuse to learn to play the class to its fullest potention. Much like, saying, I am a true IT lover, yet I don't know how computer works, who are you trying to lie to???

[Spartan117]

It's like saying I'm a vegetarian but I don't like leafy veges and tomatoes.

[Thistledown]

hey those tomatoes make my fingers all sticky.

[Tex_Mex]

If you truly want to play melee dps and are looking for the class that has the least amount of positioning requirements, then play DRG. They do have 2 abilities that require positions, but they are BOTH either standalone abilites (heavy thrust) or at the beginning of a combo string (Impulse Drive), making it more forgiving if you miss the positioning.

Many people miss it, but the disembowel and chaos thrust abilities can be used from anywhere, but in order to get their bonuses, impulse drive must hit from behind. So that's it, just 2 positional requirements.

Compare this to the 5+ abilities for monk and the 3 for rogue/ninja. What makes rogue/ninja harder is that the positioning ability is at the end of a 3 hit combo so missing it sucks. It is worth noting that having a warrior tank removes the need to ever even perform this combo so there are ways around it.

Point is, there is an easier option if you do not like the positioning requirements for melee dps. Take DRG

[Vodomir]

If you truly want to play melee dps and are looking for the class that has the least amount of positioning requirements, then play DRG. They do have 2 abilities that require positions, but they are BOTH either standalone abilites (heavy thrust) or at the beginning of a combo string (Impulse Drive), making it more forgiving if you miss the positioning.

Many people miss it, but the disembowel and chaos thrust abilities can be used from anywhere, but in order to get their bonuses, impulse drive must hit from behind. So that's it, just 2 positional requirements.

Compare this to the 5+ abilities for monk and the 3 for rogue/ninja. What makes rogue/ninja harder is that the positioning ability is at the end of a 3 hit combo so missing it sucks. It is worth noting that having a warrior tank removes the need to ever even perform this combo so there are ways around it.

Point is, there is an easier option if you do not like the positioning requirements for melee dps. Take DRG

But you do realize that missing the position on a Monk still progresses the stance, so all you lose is some potency, while missing the positional on a DRG means you'll have to re-apply the very same move over and over until you land it from the required position. This totally screws your rotation. While a DRG may have less positional requirements (speaking of the number of skills with pos req), those requirements are actually less forgiving compared to a Monk.

[SpecialKK]

But you do realize that missing the position on a Monk still progresses the stance, so all you lose is some potency, while missing the positional on a DRG means you'll have to re-apply the very same move over and over until you land it from the required position. This totally screws your rotation. While a DRG may have less positional requirements (speaking of the number of skills with pos req), those requirements are actually less forgiving compared to a Monk.

I will add to this, that IMO, having a positional at the start of combo is more difficult than one at the end. This is because it is typically the opener (in our case, HT), which means the mob is not yet "set". There's always an instance where I attack thinking that the tank has already moved the mob to a position, only to see it turn and I end up missing the side. On the other hand, i rarely miss Impulse Drive. I typically go with HT-> Phlebotomize as a starter before I go with my ID->CT combo. This means that, after positioning for HT, hitting it with Phle (and possibly using Off GCD moves in between), by the time I need to start ID-> CT combo...I am 99% sure that this mob is facing the correct way.

Since ID is also a rear positional attack (where a DRG spends majority of the time anyway), it makes the odds of missing it even lower.

[ChaozK]

Point is, there is an easier option if you do not like the positioning requirements for melee dps. Take DRG

Genuinely have to disagree with this. NIN has the least amount of positioning.
TA and SA are mutually exclusive, you pick either SA or TA and in groups this will always be TA. Secondly, its oGCD and sits on a long 60 sec CD, so you use it once and then forget about it for a minute.

Leaving pretty much only one single positional in NINs main rotation, Dancing Edge, duration 20 secs, which you might not even have to use if a warrior (or another NIN) does it for you.
DRG on the other hand does HT every 20 sec and ID every 30 secs, even ignoring that missing ID makes you lose access to Dis and CT as well, while missing DE on NIN only makes you lose DE itself.

Now to compare, NIN 1 rear every 60 sec and 1 (semi optional) flank every 20 sec vs DRG 1 rear every 30 sec and 1 (non optional) flank every 20 sec.

So NIN definitely has less/easier positioning.

[Leonus]

The reason nin doest have that many positionals is because it would be dumb to have as many as mnk while having to do mudras every 20 seconds and being able to mess those up as well.

Also, drg missing positionals is a harsher penalty than mnk.

Mnk only looses ppotency/damage. Drg has to redo combo which is a bigger dps loss and waste of tp.

Both are difficult/easy in their respects.