Spellcasting in PvP

[StouterTaru]

OK so last two posts are basically, "I'm not trying to be condescending, just have more skill," and "you're not at a disadvantage, just don't be attacked."

There isn't enough skill to overcome an attack with the abilities given to a BLM in PvP. Your choices are run away and scathe, run around and get saved by a teammate while using scathe, or go toe to toe and die unless you have multiple skills up and even then it's a crapshoot. How does skill overcome being attacked with the tools available to BLM?

-Scathe is weak damage, the only spell you will get off most the time(and it's like a melee attack, it can fail if the attacker is circling you)
-Manawall is 2 shadows, that will buy you one GCD, 45 second recast
-Aetheric Burst is a useful slow and damage against a melee, but every dps has multiple OGCD abilities that can keep you from casting, plus simply running behind during a cast is always an option, 150 second recast
-Equanimity can keep physical damage from interrupting, but again you can still simply run behind the BLM, 180 second recast
-Nightwing is a nice instant sleep, only delaying the inevitable. The problem with sleep is that they wake up after one attack or Purify, 180 second recast
-Swift Cast is great for a 2nd sleep if they use purify, but still only a stall tactic, 60 second recast
-Lethargy is another stall tactic, one of the best skills for BLM, 30 second recast

A stun or fluid aura would be infinitely more useful

[Dimitrii]

A stun or fluid aura would be infinitely more useful

Oh really that's all? Well stun and fluid aura certainly would compliment sleep, night wing, blizzard II, lethargy, freeze, manawall, manaward, aetherial manipulation, aetheric burst, sprint, equanimity, swiftcast and surecast. A Stun ability, a knockback ability and a pacification ability are the only cc abilities you dont have access to so its only natural that blm get each of these to round out the set as well.

On a serious note the only thing I will agree with you is that blm should just get the ability to free cast, but only at the cost of nerfing firestarter activation rate plus losing several of those cc abilities you have so that this thread and all threads like this die already. Despite how useless you feel your own cc abilities are the fact remains that the ppl who currently are successful using blm in pvp atm would become untouchable gods should they keep them with the buff. There is no way to sugar coat this but the reality is we don't all possess the same skill lvl in anything in life. Just buffing stuff to compensate for lower skill without having any regard on how the change will affect ppl who have otherwise been dominant before the buff will just lead to greater imbalance.

Anyway there is no point arguing this further cause the concept of trade off seems to be completely lost in this discussion. You are exceedingly weak in some aspects of your job due to you being exceedingly strong in other aspects. SE just needs to make blm the caster version of bard already so we can end this topic. Anybody who reads your posts about how ineffective your cc abilities are would think melee dps have purify on 10 second cooldowns. Idk how you can find blizzard II to be so useless when as a whm I've used that ability countless times to delay the hordes of dps after my head and keep myself alive.

[StouterTaru]

How often are you getting hit with freeze or blizzard II in PvP? Freeze is just a monkey wrech spell, biggest use is to set up a LB, not an actual survival spell. Blizzard II is 80% of a GCD, good luck getting that off while being hit, and goodbye to AF if you do. Sleep isn't going off without swift cast, and resistance builds real fast. And Manaward, to protect you from all the magic damage being dealt out by... Aetherial Manipulation, really? Surecast is about as useful as Truth of Forests in PvP.

Could you please take a moment to list all the cc abilities BLM has access to for PvP? Raging Strikes, Virus, Physick, those are pretty much everything but stun or knockback? Eye for an Eye is the only honorable mention, the rest are quelling strikes, hawk's eye, ruin, and DoL abilities.

[Dimitrii]

How often are you getting hit with freeze or blizzard II in PvP?

Is this a serious question? I guess only primal data center casters and healers use this spell. And guess what? If I do get hit with this spell 90% of the time that caster/healer has me bound for full duration cause I'm not wasting my purify to remove this should elusive jump be unavailable.

Sleep isn't going off without swift cast and resistance builds real fast

And you are saving your swiftcast for what exactly? flare? I'm sorry you cannot keep people perpetually slept from 3 minutes at a time. And the resistance wears just as fast as it builds.

And Manaward, to protect you from all the magic damage being dealt out by

Other blms and smn? I guess casters never attack other casters. Must be some code amongst casters.

Aetherial Manipulation, really?

An ability that can create a gap between you and your enemy and even be used to get back to your healers side. Granted its situationally useful but on a job that everybody knows needs to stick with their team mates and especially their healer like glue you honestly have never used it? Maybe you should.

Surecast is about as useful as Truth of Forests in PvP.

Lol. Clearly I get those blizzard II's off on my whm through sheer force of will alone

Could you please take a moment to list all the cc abilities BLM has access to for PvP? Raging Strikes, Virus, Physick, those are pretty much everything but stun or knockback? Eye for an Eye is the only honorable mention, the rest are quelling strikes, hawk's eye, ruin, and DoL abilities.

I dont even know where you are going with this. You are listing a bunch of abilities that aren't classified as cc abilities and omitting the fact that you can bind, sleep and heavy ppl. Sleep, Bind, Heavy, Knockback, Stun, and Pacification are the six most prominent forms of cc available to players and blm has access to half of these. I'm not even counting the skill speed reduction from aetheric burst.