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  1. #51
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    Spoekes's Avatar
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    Spoekes Magica
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    Odin
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Take this with a grain of salt as I am new to pvp and need to L2PVP, that's fur sure.

    But, in a common FL fight (common = noone cares about helping each other) playing WHM with this interrupt system is a chore.

    As long as there is 1 melee DPS attacking me I feel practically useless as the only thing I can do is try to prolong my assured death.

    I cannot cast a single spell against a good DPS using his stuns etc, with bad DPS it will just take them like 10 seconds longer until my CDs are used up and I hit the ground.
    Sometimes I would get some distance between me and the DPS, but there is no heal for me as he will spam his ranged attack to effectivley silence me till he closed the gap to finally stomp me down.

    The best "advice" I could get on this was simple "L2P" or "lolwuuut 5 healer combo is invincible" - yeah that helps alot, thank you ^^.

    Maybe it's my lack of experience, but I hate this system.
    Maybe some experienced PvPer can give some realistic advice other than to run away from the fighting ground (yeah, this is advice from the forums...), again, effectively rendering me useless.

    I say again to be clear, this is about FL skirmish fights, beeing not organized, no one watching my ass and help CC the DPS, which of course focus WHM when they spot it.
    I tried communicating with the team, but only answer I would get so far is "lol l2p", "lol get pvp gear", "omg heal wtf?".
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  2. #52
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    Santana Clawz
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by HitoYuudai View Post
    am I the only one that thinks Dimitrii doesn't have the slightest clue of balancing or just doesn't want casters being able to atleast having a chance against another class?
    blackmages left untouched in frontlines become a problem. Any job that isnt a tank or healer in frontlines focus-targeted will melt caster or not, we prioritize Blackmages in my matches because of sleep (being annoying as all hell) and their AE damage. In 1v1 situations you most likely will lose if you let a melee get within range of you.

    Stick with a group make sure your healer realizes your going to be attacked because of your damage output and work with it.
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    Last edited by Sinsain; 11-20-2014 at 12:59 AM.

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  5. #53
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    Knives Stryfe
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    Diabolos
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kassiekane View Post


    Equal to a summoner.
    Congratulations. In your best game you pulled within 10k dmg of an average summoner. You nor any other non summoner dps will ever reach the total dmg a highly skilled summoner can for the simple fact that no job is capable of compiling damage across multiple targets the way summoner can. What was even the point of that image? It can't be that you find 90k dmg impressive cause even paladins can eclipse that given the right scenario. I can even give you an image of me going 15-0 with 90k dmg as a dragoon lol. It still doesn't mean I will out damage a skilled summoner in total damage output.
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  6. #54
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    Knives Stryfe
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    Diabolos
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Apologies for the triple post. Since I posted using my phone I'm unable to delete the duplicates until I get home later on tonight
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  7. #55
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    Zagam Zixion
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    Excalibur
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitrii View Post
    Congratulations. In your best game you pulled within 10k dmg of an average summoner. You nor any other non summoner dps will ever reach the total dmg a highly skilled summoner can for the simple fact that no job is capable of compiling damage across multiple targets the way summoner can. What was even the point of that image? It can't be that you find 90k dmg impressive cause even paladins can eclipse that given the right scenario. I can even give you an image of me going 15-0 with 90k dmg as a dragoon lol. It still doesn't mean I will out damage a skilled summoner in total damage output.
    Uhhh your kinda proving his point lol, You're the one saying a blm is stand alone over powered when hes saying his best game isnt even better than others jobs. I don't get why SE has such a hard on for continuously cutting blm down when its clear other jobs like YOU said do much much more.
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  8. #56
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    Kisada Exis
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    Behemoth
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    Leatherworker Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by HitoYuudai View Post
    am I the only one that thinks Dimitrii doesn't have the slightest clue of balancing or just doesn't want casters being able to atleast having a chance against another class?
    You are not the only one.

    The problem is that for you and the others who agree with you, you're not understanding his point and really are just plain wrong.


    The best blms in pvp i know think they're overpowered, and they are because they maximize their role given their limitations and understand that a blm's role in pve is much different than in pvp. I have never once heard any one of my blm friends complain about getting interrupted into oblivion because they know that this is how the game works and their skill lies in being able to fulfill and adjust their roles even under pressure.

    When a blm gets space to breathe they turn into a complete monster. When they don't, they can't, and that's how it should be for any job you play in pvp.
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  9. #57
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    Stouter Taru
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    Exodus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by kisada View Post
    When a blm gets space to breathe they turn into a complete monster. When they don't, they can't, and that's how it should be for any job you play in pvp.
    When any dps has a free run they turn into a monster. The difference is what you can do when you have one person attacking you. Other dps can continue to push out damage under simple melee attacks, have much more utility for disabling the attacker, and most of the skills on shorter CDs.
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  10. #58
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    Kisada Exis
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    Behemoth
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    Leatherworker Lv 50
    yeah but not all of them can murder a player in 4-5 globals with 0 ramp up time. that's the entire point of what dimitrii is trying to say. that's the trade-off for being vulnerable to interruptions, otherwise blms would be completely ridiculous to begin with.
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  11. #59
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    Stouter Taru
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    Exodus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    Which dps job can't murder someone in 4-5 GCD if left unmolested? And since when it it 4-5 GCD instead of 3?
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  12. #60
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    Knives Stryfe
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    Diabolos
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Zagam View Post
    Uhhh your kinda proving his point lol, You're the one saying a blm is stand alone over powered when hes saying his best game isnt even better than others jobs. I don't get why SE has such a hard on for continuously cutting blm down when its clear other jobs like YOU said do much much more.
    The guy has no point with that screenshot cause if his point is that blm should be buffed cause they can't deal 200k dmg over the entirety of a match like summoner can I'm gonna have to retract my statement about his apples to oranges comparison on the ways smn and blm deal dmg being the most asinine thing I've heard him say, cause this would be worse. Are we also gonna buff monk, ninja, dragoon and bard too? Cause they cant reach 200k dmg either. The summoner in the screenshot had 100k dmg but notice how many kills he ended up with? Summoners can dish out huge amounts of dmg in the LONG TERM but lack the punch that is needed to consistently kill ppl off without use of their pvp ability and enkindle which carry significant recast times.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zagam View Post
    You're the one saying a blm is stand alone over powered.
    I don't know where you are getting this idea that I said blm is a stand alone overpowered job cause if anything I have been saying the exact opposite. A blm alone (one on one) is weak. However combine a blm with other skilled blm or a party that utilizes a blm effectively and they become the most terrifying dps in pvp. Have you ever read any posts in the pvp forums claiming how scary an all monk, all drg, or all brd dps party can be? My bet is no but I'll bet you probably have read or heard of how scary an all blm party can be. There is a reason blms are right up there near healers as high priority MUST KILL targets. No other dps is feared like this (save for monk when it comes to schs). And I only ever said blm would be overpowered if and only if they were allowed to free cast (as in casting through physical dmg) while still retaining ALL of their current attack potency and cc abilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zagam View Post
    I don't get why SE has such a hard on for continuously cutting blm down when its clear other jobs like YOU said do much much more.
    Why are you underestimating the job so much? Other jobs can do much more? Blm possess arguably the greatest arsenal of cc abilities out of all the jobs while still dishing out overwhelming amounts of dmg in a short period of time should they be ignored. The only dps that has no special trait, quality, or utility about them is drg. Monks can strip your buffs, plds can stunlock you, smns can accumulate tons of dmg across numerous targets, blms have sleep, warrior have high survivability and the ability to nerf your heals received. Meanwhile the most notable trait drg possess are their horrendous magic defense. Yet I don't see the threads of outrage calling for a buff of drg nearly as much (truth be told I havent seen one at all) as these blm threads pop up.
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    Last edited by Dimitrii; 11-20-2014 at 05:26 PM.

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