Red Mage - A DoM Tank Job?

[Duelle]

A: XI had a release stigma that impeeded the red mage for the duration of the game, the same sort of stigma that paladins and shaman suffered in vanilla WoW. Though in an odd compliment to WoW, their community got over that stigma, you clearly have not.

Gotta give credit where it is due. The reason WoW's community got over the stigma was because the developers revamped all hybrids to spec into a role in the trinity (thus making the subpar tank specs and the DPS specs raid-viable). And that was prompted by posts, feedback and arguments presented by the Druid, Shaman and Paladin communities. After the changes no serious raid leader could laugh at an enhance shaman or ret paladin, as they went from being jokes to viable members in a raid.

Prior to that you either tried to hide what you were (I've tanked dungeons during TBC where ret paladins would try to pretend they were warriors just so that they wouldn't get booted from the party for being lolret) or comformed to the whims of the hive mind and heal-bitched your way into raids.

[Rosalynd]

Gotta give credit where it is due. The reason WoW's community got over the stigma was because the developers revamped all hybrids to spec into a role in the trinity (thus making the subpar tank specs and the DPS specs raid-viable). And that was prompted by posts, feedback and arguments presented by the Druid, Shaman and Paladin communities.

Prior to that you either tried to hide what you were (I've tanked dungeons during TBC where ret paladins would try to pretend they were warriors just so that they wouldn't get booted from the party for being lolret) or comformed to the whims of the hive mind and heal-bitched your way into raids.

Aye, it kinda says something when their community got those changes made and other communities could not.

[GalkaBikini]

A: XI had a release stigma that impeeded the red mage for the duration of the game, the same sort of stigma that paladins and shaman suffered in vanilla WoW. Though in an odd compliment to WoW, their community got over that stigma, you clearly have not.

No, there was no stigma. SE created the game, their vision was obvious to intelligent players who played the game and the class properly. Paladins and Shaman didn't "suffer" in WoW, either, where did you come up with that? I mean heck, they were 2 of the most played classes in the game for good reason (because in Vanilla WoW, hybrids were overpowered). YOUR vision of SE's RDM isn't the same as theirs.

And lol, you're one of those that think DRK isn't a tank too. Awesome, not surprised. You heard it here guys. RDM is a melee powerhouse and DRK isn't a tank!

[Exstal]

Red Mage in FFV was only good to unlock dual cast so you can use it on other magic classes.

[Noll]

A good way of implementing rdm ad DPS would be to make him chain spells after his melee combo.
I'd still prefer rdm to have an healer role tho'

[Shori]

i dont see rdm being DoW if its a tank for one major reason - spell interuptions from taking damage.
unless some of the magic or skills prevented you from taking damage for a split second? *shrugs*

[GalkaBikini]

Rosalynd, I just linked videos PROVING YOU WRONG, you can either provide counter-proof, or, like I said, you can continue to long for something that DOES NOT EXIST. I'm not the one that's unsatisfied. I'm actually in touch with reality.

[Rosalynd]

Rosalynd, I just linked videos PROVING YOU WRONG, you can either provide counter-proof, or, like I said, you can continue to long for something that DOES NOT EXIST. I'm not the one that's unsatisfied. I'm actually in touch with reality.

You are proving the wrong thing though, at least not to me. Red mages CAN melee, they arent anywhere near as good as other melee fighters yes, but they can still melee.

They can also wear armour, that isnt as good as what tanks wear. They can also cast offensive magic that again, isnt as good as what other casters have. And, you guessed it, they can heal as well, but nowhere near as good as other healers.

They are a jack of all trades and master of none. This does NOT relegate them to the back row healing and buffing like you seem to think they should though.

Also.... Vanilla hybrids were never OP outside a few bugs that got hotfixed within hours (reckoning bombs) or using legendary weapons.

[GalkaBikini]

This does NOT relegate them to the back row healing and buffing like you seem to think they should though.

Yes, yes it does. RDM got some of the best buffs and debuffs in the game (I don't like anything past CoP, so I'm referring to that era). So yes, it makes perfect sense for it to stand in the back and cast spells. Why would it not, when all the other melees put RDM melee to shame? Not to mention the RDM is just feeding the mob TP... Instead they should be supporting everyone else. Debuff mob, haste melees, refresh mages.

In that FFXI video I linked, the RDM should have hasted the WAR and cast Blizzard 4 and Aspir on the worm. That is what an efficient, intelligent, GOOD PLAYER/RED MAGE would've done. And that is what SE would've expected them to do as well.

[Kuwagami]

You really need to reconsider what mediocre means. just so you know, being a jack of all trades MEANS yyou won't be as good as specialized jobs.

I proved that RDM have nearly equal stats in melee and magic in most occurences, you answered by saying that it's worse than specialized melee. you miss the point by THAT much...

Also, way to counter argument with only 2 occurences, even if they had been accurate.


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