Dark Knight Dilemma

[Nheir]

I just want to start off saying I'm super excited for Dark Knight.
It's gonna be a tanking job that uses dark magic and greatswords. This is good cause the game is desperately hurting for tanks, and a lot of players have been asking for a greatsword class.

Greatswords AND dark magic??? What's not to like???
Well....
There is...just one... itty bitty problem...

Now, I've never played FFXI and from what I've heard I wouldn't like it very much. BUT If there's one thing I do like just from appearances.. is the extreme diversity. There's SO many classes, 22 in fact! Personally I would love to see this feat repeated or even bested here in XIV. Obviously this'll take time. So I'm thinking way ahead in the future with this post.

So here it is, the dilemma with Dark Knight...

They use Greatswords

I love Greatswords, I do. BUT... I think Dark Knight has a weapon very much suited to them and not so much any other job...

[Nheir]

Sycthes

In FFXI their renowned for being the the shadowy armor clad warrior wielding a weapon best used for reaping souls. Now I don't want XIV to be like XI at all, but who else could better use the scythe as a weapon? in XI DRKs, WARs, BLMs, and Beastmasters could all use Scythes so if DRK uses Greatswords that leaves us with.... BMS..

My only gripe is that Greatswords could be used by SO MANY other jobs throughout FF lore, and Scythes are so limited. So if DRK uses Greatswords no one else will. And if we're aiming for the goal of a ton of classes/jobs, who other than DRK is best suited for Scythes?

[Kuwagami]

Sycthes

scythes indeed.


No.


there is only ONE game where DRK aren't using swords. Don't let them become peasants

[Neyasa]

Blackmages used Scythes in FF11 also, they had blackmage powers and PLD's had the same WHM powers also. I hope DRK has no FF11 powers from what I see so far Yoshi was wrong with players putting two and two together. Using the abilities without having to sub roles. I never once seen a PLD use cure for hate in FF14 or any WHM powers. I do like having 1 to 50 on the roles again.

[Nheir]

I get it. The game needs more tanks, and the fans want greatswords. but from my understanding the fans were thinking for DPS purposes. (myself included)
So why not give DRKs Scythes? Nothing wrong with a fat-bladed scythe for tanking. And give the DPS their greatsword in another job. There's plenty of options, and I don't think many people who are looking forward to DRK would be upset by the change. I know a lot of XI vets would be happy, and I'd be happy cause it means Greatsword can(and certainly would) still be used. Even if that means no greatsword this year, but more jobs in total once the game is done expanding.

Lastly, it's not that I desperately want to see DRK use Scythes or that I even want Scythes as a weapon in the game. I'm still super psyched for DRK. It's that I desperately love and want diversity. More races, classes, jobs, City-states.

So tell me what you think. Agree? Disagree?
Thoughts on DRK and how it'll affect the game in the near/far?

[Veerne]

To me, Dark Knight is all about swords. Scythe is just a silly FFXI thing. Also, its still possible to have a Greatsword wielding DPS class, or something similar (Samurai?). Scholar and Summoner both use books, you know.

[Reynhart]

Unless we fight wheat-elementals in the future, Scythe is not a suitable weapon for combat.

As for the 22 jobs in FFXI, it's indeed pretty impressive...except the balance was absolutely destroyed early on, and each patch's purpose was to ruin previously overpowered jobs while boosting useless ones.

Also, its still possible to have a Greatsword wielding DPS class, or something similar (Samurai?). Scholar and Summoner both use books, you know.

Especially when Katanas are far more different from swords than books are from...well, other books

[Nheir]

Unless we fight wheat-elementals in the future...

Never actually played XI so I never heard about the balancing issues. 22 jobs may have just been too many. :/ Hopefully if that's attempted again this dev team can handle it better.

[Neyasa]

FF11 let you turn jobs into different things that you like. Was skilled based and if you sucked you sucked and players instantly saw it. If you were good, you were good that is the difference. This game is like DC Universe Online where its gear based and not skill based. So people get away with playing awful and can blame others because of not having it skill based. Players get away with not using all abilities and cross abilities melee being the main ones that do this. However, they expect mages to have everything together.

[Galgarion]

Unless we fight wheat-elementals in the future, Scythe is not a suitable weapon for combat.

As for the 22 jobs in FFXI, it's indeed pretty impressive...except the balance was absolutely destroyed early on, and each patch's purpose was to ruin previously overpowered jobs while boosting useless ones.

Especially when Katanas are far more different from swords than books are from...well, other books

Bah, sez I. Katana are just curvy razors with pretty sheaths. Their reputation is overblown. A dull bastard sword could equal their cutting power.