Voting with my wallet

[AttacKat]

Some of the things you said I disagree with.

It is your option to disagree all you like, but you cannot disagree with the fact that many times the man in charge has danced around his words, claiming he never said them in many letters and interviews and does a 180 degree flip on his stand of these issues.

Btw, that 0.01% is very simple math, just take 30 (plots) x 16 (wards to be), x 3 (cities), allocated among close to 2m subs (peak was touted at 2.2m). If they need to open cash shops just so they can move from 0.01% housing to the rest of the population, I wish them luck.

Cash shops = encourages RMT, if SE needs to generate money via cash shop for useless in game items, why shouldn't RMT do the same for any other necessary in-game item (gil)?

[Cynfael]

Cash shops only influence RMT when the items are not bound to the purchaser and are desirable to trade.

It's likely that SE will make cash shop fluff bound to the character that retrieves it. Allowing players to turn around and sell the items for gil would be a sanctioned form of RMT. I don't really care either way since people who want to do RMT try to do it regardless, and gil is a fairly worthless currency that, aside from Novus and crafter melds, buys almost nothing of actual gameplay value, but they probably won't want to go there.

[AttacKat]

As I said in my original post ...

1. ARR will be sub-based only -> Cash shop
2. ARR will not be RNG/time sink -> relic / most end game drops
3. Housing for everyone -> 0.01%

Most important of all -> Yoshi-P = can no longer be trusted

[Xavos]

That's silly! You don't need to buy anything?

[Cynfael]

As I said in my original post ...

1. ARR will be sub-based only -> Cash shop
2. ARR will not be RNG/time sink -> relic / most end game drops
3. Housing for everyone -> 0.01%

Most important of all -> Yoshi-P = can no longer be trusted

ARR is still sub-based. A fluff cash shop does not suddenly make it F2P, P2W, or any other flavor.

A certain level of time sink is expected for any MMORPG. Aside from Atma (which was a godawful mistake), everything has been fairly reasonable.

Housing is extremely available. Not everyone has access to or can afford their own personal home yet, but FC housing and private rooms therein are accessible and affordable to the masses.

Is Yoshi out to get us? Out to get our money without a doubt, but I can't really blame him for that since it's his job. As long as the game is fun, players are wanting to play, and the cost is in line with what players are willing to pay, everyone's needs are more or less met in this business relationship.

[Danima]

I don't think it will affect RMT in any way...because the items wont be able to sell. They are gonna be bound to ur account. So if u buy a minion or a mount, any of ur chars will get to use it.

[Razzle]

Cash shop is okay because it's vanity? Why? Because you don't care about vanity and won't be buying anything from it?

Let's have it the other way around. Let's have a P2W Cash shop but have all the vanity in game. Now I don't have to buy anything from it in order to enjoy the game, so I'm completely fine with it. Wonder what about you?

Cash shop have no place in an already P2P game. Some players enjoy vanity more than they enjoy stats. Do they need to pay more to enjoy the game than you do? I think not.

[HakuroDK]

I'm really getting sick of this discussion.

It's a cash shop, yeah. It sells items that do not at all impact gameplay. If it bothers you that someone who contributes a little extra for something that only looks cool and otherwise operates as something that already exists in the actual game, you can unsub and play something else. The people complaining about a vanity-only cash shop are in a very vocal minority and, whereas the rest of the community is supportive of the cash shop, there is no way to get the developers to change their minds.

You might as well quit now or get used to it, Sisyphus, because your boulder isn't ever reaching the top of the mountain.

[Cynfael]

Cash shop is okay because it's vanity? Why? Because you don't care about vanity and won't be buying anything from it?

Let's have it the other way around. Let's have a P2W Cash shop but have all the vanity in game. Now I don't have to buy anything from it in order to enjoy the game, so I'm completely fine with it. Wonder what about you?

Cash shop have no place in an already P2P game. Some players enjoy vanity more than they enjoy stats. Do they need to pay more to enjoy the game than you do? I think not.

Another post predicated on the assumption that vanity will suddenly become cash-shop only.

If we keep getting vanity updates in the usual quantity with the addition of some cash shop options on top of that, what will there be to complain about?

[ApolloGenX]

This. Upvote for you.



Actually no. I'm afraid this post indicates a severe lack of knowledge in how the gaming market works and a bit of tunnel vision.

Actually no. It was Yoshi himself that made this connection with his original comments on not having a cash shop because subs would sustain the game.

You would claim that listening to Yoshi is best, but ignore his original perspective on why a game would have a cash shop.

It's very selective of you.

As far as how the game is doing- I have no comment. They are very opaque about their numbers and sub performance and I ignore marketing BS. So, really there is no way to know.