So Why assume removal of Classes?

[winxbloom61]

You're right, my WHM job is totally ruined because I can never access my Cure branch of spells, or Esuna, or the typical White Magic spells, because they all got shafted by the class system...

Oh wait.

u do realize its not just about the current jobs we have right?

future jobs are completely ruined cuz of the system with classes think about this final fantasy dosnt have that many jobs to start with and due to the class system even how we learn skills in this game they have destroyed the possiblity for some of the jobs to even be added right
but what ever you owe me 20 dollars when the game dies in 2 years after they refuse to fix the broken system that causes limitaion

[whoopeeragon]

u do realize its not just about the current jobs we have right?

future jobs are completely ruined cuz of the system with classes think about this final fantasy dosnt have that many jobs to start with and due to the class system even how we learn skills in this game they have destroyed the possiblity for some of the jobs to even be added right

If you want to get rid of the class system, yes, it WILL be majorly about the current jobs. You won't be destroying just the class and guild lores, you'll be destroying city-state lore, and history all the way at least up to the fifth astral era.

With new citystates, they can establish lore without a common class as the start. Ishgard is home to Dragoons after all, and the Lancer guild is in Gridania.

And guess what is happening with the new job we know off?

There's no base class to it.

It doesn't mean that the current classes should be abolished.

And how exactly will they be 'destroyed'? Limited, yes, but with, say, PGL and MNK, THM and BLM, GLA and PLD, CNJ and WHM, do the classes not have skills which lead up to the job? You seem to be implying that the classes will destroy any job-iconic abilities there are and the corresponding job won't have it. But that's incorrect, because the job still retains those skills and acts on those skills to succeed in its role.

Would I like to see adjustments to make jobs more pronounced? Yes, I would. But not to the point of having the class system removed.

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u do realize its not just about the current jobs we have right?

future jobs are completely ruined cuz of the system with classes think about this final fantasy dosnt have that many jobs to start with and due to the class system even how we learn skills in this game they have destroyed the possiblity for some of the jobs to even be added right
but what ever you owe me 20 dollars when the game dies in 2 years after they refuse to fix the broken system that causes limitaion

That post means that you would be a terrible game designer.

If the job you are talking about is blue mage then you are wrong, you can add it in the game right now even with the current pattern of class/job ( that is not going to be the same considering how ninjas are ). There are no limitations in the class system, except the diversity in kinds of weapon, which can be fixed easily, but they don't want to.

[winxbloom61]

heres the thing not only does it ruin jobs such as blue mages as u said and puppeter and so on

but it takes away players costumization or desire to play a job in some cases

warrior for example i would to love play i mean really i would but i really really hate 2 handed axes and u might say then play gladitor/ paladin well i hate holy things and i rlly hate shields so due to the weapons for the classes they kinda ruined me for tanking jobs

[lololink]

heres the thing not only does it ruin jobs such as blue mages as u said and puppeter and so on

but it takes away players costumization or desire to play a job in some cases

warrior for example i would to love play i mean really i would but i really really hate 2 handed axes and u might say then play gladitor/ paladin well i hate holy things and i rlly hate shields so due to the weapons for the classes they kinda ruined me for tanking jobs

So basically, there isn't any class that please you now so you are pissed. Wait for DRK.

[winxbloom61]

angery no but do i view it as stupid personally yes i do

also ecks almost all final fantasys have used the basic jobs

the only expection really is ff8

even 10 used the job system in some way

even 7 did in a way vincent a gunner yuffie a ninja/theif

[Ecks007]

also ecks almost all final fantasys have used the basic jobs

the only expection really is ff8

even 10 used the job system in some way

even 7 did in a way vincent a gunner yuffie a ninja/theif

Wow, um. Wow. Okay, I'll do the research FOR YOU.

FFI -(going with most recent iteration) Black Mage, White Mage, Red Mage, Fighter/Warrior, Thief, Monk. Which then were preceeded by Advanced Jobs: Black Wizard, White Wizard, Red Wizard, Knight, Ninja, Master.

FFII - Firion - Hero(not sure if he is considered a specific Job), Maria - Archer, Gus - Monk, Leon - Dark Knight, Mindu - White Mage, Ricard Highwind - Dragoon. (there are a few others but they aren't listed as anything specific)

FFIII - Onion Knight, Freelancer, Warrior, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Red Mage, Thief, Ranger, Knight, Scholar, Geomancer, Dragoon, Dark Knight, Evoker, Bard, Black Belt, Devout, Magus, Summoner, Sage, Ninja.

FFIV - Cecil - Dark Knight and Paladin, Kain - Dragoon, Rosa - White Mage and Archer, Cid - Engineer (was he playable? I don't remember), Rydia - Summoner, Tellah - Sage, Edward - Bard, Yang - Monk, Palom - White Mage, Porom - Black Mage, Edge - Ninja.

FFV - Freelancer, Knight, Monk, Thief, Black Mage, White Mage, Blue Mage, Red Mage, Time Mage, Summoner, Berserker, Mystic Knight, Mime, Beast Master, Geomancer, Ninja, Ranger, Bard, Dragoon, Dancer, Samurai, Chemist.

Oye.. this is getting tiring.

FFVI - Locke - Thief, Terra - Esper (basically the game's Summoner), Edgar - Engineer/Machinist, Sabin - Monk, Cyan - Knight, Celes - White Mage if I remember right, Setzer - Gambler, Shadow - Ninja, Relm - Artist?, Strago - Blue Mage, Gogo - Mime. (left out the ones with no job equivalent: Gau, Mog, Umaro)

FFVII - Cloud - Soldier/Warrior/Knight, Tifa - Monk, Cid - Dragoon/Engineer, Yuffie - Ninja/Thief, Vincent - Gunner/Berserker. (left out characters with no clear job inspiration)

FFVIII - Squall - Warrior/Knight, Quistis - Blue Mage, Zell - Monk, Irvine - Marksman/Gunner. (left out character I wasn't sure about)

FFIX - Can't comment other than I know there was a Blm character and a Knight character.

FFX - Can only really comment on Yuna - Summoner and Lulu - Black Mage. (not familiar enough with this one and not searching)

FFXI - Monk, Warrior, Black Mage, White Mage, Red Mage, Blue Mage, Thief, Ninja, Samurai, Dark Knight, Paladin, Summoner, Beastmaster, Bard, Dancer, Ranger, Dragoon, Puppetmaster, Corsair, Scholar, Geomancer, Rune Fencer.

I'm going to stop here. This isn't including FFXII and XIII or the Tactics series because I think I've done enough.

My post before this was because you stated "final fantasy dosnt have that many jobs to start with" and then you proceed to ignore that statement in your very next post by trying (badly) to list some jobs from some of the games.

[winxbloom61]

I'm going to stop here. This isn't including FFXII and XIII or the Tactics series because I think I've done enough.

My post before this was because you stated "final fantasy dosnt have that many jobs to start with" and then you proceed to ignore that statement in your very next post by trying (badly) to list some jobs from some of the games.[/QUOTE]
um from all those that proves my point we have all those jobs already lol expect the gunner
take a good luck the wizards are just super powered normal so they dont count we got smn the berseker is basicly combined with the warrior ~_~ of course we got blm/whm/sch already and due to the class system some of the other jobs just arent possible

[Hik0]

warrior for example i would to love play i mean really i would but i really really hate 2 handed axes and u might say then play gladitor/ paladin well i hate holy things and i rlly hate shields so due to the weapons for the classes they kinda ruined me for tanking jobs

be happy you'll be able to tank with a greatsword soon!
also they can allow different weapon type for each class without changing the class system (you already can since thm/cnj can both use 2handed or one handed weapons).the only limitation is that one item can not be equiped buy 2different class/job.

As for people who want a sword DPS they can make as many class as swordtype:

• Great sword
• Longsword and bastard sword
• Broadsword
• Long knife
• Bidenhänder
• Rapier
• "Handedness"
• Edgeless swords
  • Panzerstecher and koncerz
  • Tuck and Verdun
  • Small-sword
• Hangers and Sabres
  • Hanger
  • Falchion and cutlass
  • Sabre
  • Scimitar

even only using the main types it can do 9 sword users class, and it's not the only sword classification you can find

oh, its a game they can sort the sword in as many different type they want, they can also make 2swords that are exctly the same but say the 1st is a 'gladiator' sword and the second a 'fencer' sword

[EdwinLi]

That post means that you would be a terrible game designer.

If the job you are talking about is blue mage then you are wrong, you can add it in the game right now even with the current pattern of class/job ( that is not going to be the same considering how ninjas are ). There are no limitations in the class system, except the diversity in kinds of weapon, which can be fixed easily, but they don't want to.

Ya that basically what I am thinking how Yoshi-P and the developers plan to handle things.

They may keep class system in 3.0 but adjust it a bit for Summoner and Scholar sake.

Then from 3.0 and beyond they will continue to add new Jobs into the game but the New Jobs will be Stand Alone Jobs that do not require a class.

This way they will no longer need to create new classes for every new Job in FF14 while still keeping the current classes in the game.

In short, they don't need to remove classes but they will simply make new Jobs that don't require classes just like how they're handling Dark Knight.

As of now we still do not know much about how they will handle things in 3.0. All we know is that Dark knight do not require a class and can be obtained once players obtain the expansion. There is little info about how we will obtain Dark Knight in the game currently.