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    Multi-Role Jobs (Dark Knight)

    Why not both DPS & Tank?

    Give us a DPS Soul Crystal & a Tank one.

    ***It's essentially the same as SCH/SMN are now***

    This' already bound to happen in other instances anyway (ARC -> Bard DPS-Supp. & Ranger DPS or MRD -> WAR Tank & Berserker DPS)

    You're basically just specializing into a role with your Job Crystal.

    Job could stay practically the same, just have some actions/traits altered to better suit the role.

    Take the example of a BLU healer based off of PGL:

    Greased Lightning (dps) - increases damage & skill-speed by X%.
    Greased Lightning (heal) - increases healing & spell-speed by X%.

    Gear wouldn't be an issue as a Trait could swap STR/MIND & Skill-Speed/Spell-Speed statistics.

    This may seem overly complicated, but you have to consider that a player has to queue into a specified role & "pure hybrids" won't work in that framework (they'd either be too buffed or too nerfed, there's no middle ground to being appropriately effective at more than one role).

    So how about DRK be both a DPS & Tank? Make everybody happy.
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    Last edited by Toodles; 10-26-2014 at 02:57 AM.

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    Then everyone would be a dark knight
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    Because the game isn't built upon allowing that level of variability. We don't even have support classes, asking for multi-roles is even more unrealistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles View Post
    ^read the OP, it's not a hybrid. They're separated.
    What you're suggesting isn't that different from sub-jobs in XI so I'll respond to you in the same way that all the XI haters would respond to adding something like that to the game.

    "The community will just min/max and determine what role a job is best at anyway and exclude alternatives so why even have the option or illusion of choice"
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    Last edited by Prototype909; 10-26-2014 at 02:19 AM.

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    Without support as a role multi-role classes are... Sadly not an option.
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    ^read the OP, it's not a hybrid. They're separated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrammbles View Post
    Then everyone would be a dark knight
    Yes and no. You may have more due to the pure sake of seeing them outfitted in two roles.

    But people will stay play what they want most of all.

    Besides if they implemented this for more other Jobs, it wouldn't be as visible of an issue.

    Like BLU being DPS or Healer.

    It's honestly almost the same as having SCH & SMN separated into two.
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    Ok but then I also want a Healer soul crystal for paladin and a DPS crystal for Warrior.
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    Remember something important: the more variety a class has, the harder they are to balance. The harder they are to balance, the more likely they are to be over or under powered, the more likely players are to complain. Well, they're complain anyway but still.
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    Maybe if the classes have disappeared from the game. A DPS that distributed all his stat points on constitution is pretty sad. So if we have to stay with the SMN / SCH-example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashrak View Post
    Maybe if the classes have disappeared from the game. A DPS that distributed all his stat points on vitality is pretty sad. So if we have to stay with the SMN / SCH-example.
    Fixed it for you because I'm nitpicky, but actually it's a pretty solid idea passed around in tanking circles to spend those stat points on STR rather than VIT anyway, since the extra ~40 vit when you already have close to 600 from items won't help you as much as the extra STR to help you deal more damage and thus generate more threat.
    But again that's theorycrafting so yeah.
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