helping bard with playing Army's Paeon

[Woggers]

I was doing a dungeon yesterday and the BRD kept singing A.P. with PLD/SCH/BLM/BRD setup instead of Foes. It was awful....

[RinchanNau]

Or your melee can learn how to manage their TP? It really isn't difficult. More optimal for raid DPS to just use foe's.

[LunarEmerald]

you need more monk friends XD i get asked about TP song so many times in coil :P

Turn 8 is the only turn a monk should need paeon.

[LunarEmerald]

Even in t8 there's no reason to paeon. Unless perhaps you are running all melee + a BRD. Foe's does more for raid damage and without reducing your own.

All melee and bard needs paeon in t8 or you become tp starved. Even with optimum invig uses, you become tp starved shortly after the second dread. Or else you're playing your job very wrong.

[RinchanNau]

No one NEEDS Paeon in combat. Everyone needs to learn TP management. It is quite easy on BRD to hold back a few heavy shots when your TP is low. Your DPS will be a good bit higher than if you used paeon. And if you factor in the DPS gain your casters will receive by using Foe's instead you will understand that it makes no sense to use Paeon in combat.

You are on the same server. Feel free to run some tests with me if you have doubts.

[Black91CRX]

No one NEEDS Paeon in combat. Everyone needs to learn TP management.

With that attitude, Paeon shouldn't even exist.

[Leonus]

So melee dps need to manage there TP consuption.... by basically dropping their dps, to conserve tp... because no one needs paeon... Melee dps don't need it to perform optimally at all in tp starving situations. A melee dps being starved of tp is a bigger dps loss than mages not having foes.

I mean, throe us a bone every now and then... But Ok.

Luckily Ninja will take that burden off brds hands soon.

[RinchanNau]

So melee dps need to manage there TP consuption.... by basically dropping their dps, to conserve tp... because no one needs paeon... Melee dps don't need it to perform optimally at all in tp starving situations. A melee dps being starved of tp is a bigger dps loss than makes not having foes.

But Ok.

Luckily Ninja will take that burden off brds hands soon.

It's not a large drop in DPS to do things like cut out Phlebotomize when your TP is low. Seriously. T8 is what? 7 1/2 minutes? Maybe 8 max?

Are you implying that SMN shouldn't manage their MP either? They can just ruin 2 and auto attack for better DPS instead of using ruin and always fester instead of using energy drain when necessary.

I am talking about optimal raid damage. If you want to talk about feeding one's ePeen then yes, you can Paeon all you want and have less than optimal raid damage. And you can have 3 BRDs for your SMN too. One with ballad always up and 2 alternating Foe's. But again, not optimal for raid damage.

NIN's TP regen seems most useful. Wonder what the CD time is on it. As far as we know it does not decrease NIN DPS which makes it infinitely more useful than Paeon IN COMBAT.

[Leonus]

Even then tp is being consumed rapidly, at that rate we would end up having to slow down our usage of attacks considerably ( which most melee dps do anyway since we're last on the totem pole to receive just about anything party wise.)

Not a lot of melee dps ask for paeon constantly, hell half of the time we just want help to buy time until our next invigorate.

That is where I thin nin comes in, buy time for the other melee dps when invigorate is down and they are low on tp. good melee dps don't usually ask help for tp unless they know they are gonna hit rock bottom and become a detriment to the party by not being able to pull their weight.

At those times, why not throw us a bone? Everyone else drops a little in dps but the melee dps don't go from 450 dps to just over 200 from being tp starved.

Goad is a 1 minute or 2 minute recast I believe. Will more than likely be for melee dps that need some help before the next invigorate.

Goad priority will probably be:
Tanks (if they ask, especially wars) 》mnk/drg/Nin (if they can use it on themselves) 》brd.

[lugiaXD]

in reply to Rinchan (cause character limits are the devil)

invigorate is what 90 seconds? 120 seconds? and you're comparing it to aetherflow (which is god tier) 60 seconds and it gives you 20% mana back where as invig gives 400 tp and 500 on drg BUT drg have higher costs on most their attacks, almost evrything they use consumes more TP than the natural regen, monk's who have 420 skill speed last about 4 minutes before they start having TP problems, at 5 minutes they are complately starved.

goad sounds like it's a single target thing and seems good BUT it still brings up the problem of it is less efficient to ask for TP than to let us see it in party list, and if you give me the whole it helps you see stuff YOU CAN'T SEE SHIT IN THE LITTLE SLITS WHERE A BAR COULD BE CAUSE THE (DE)BUFFS TAKE UP 75% OF THAT SPACE.

saying that a monk or a dragoon should just drop part of their rotation (like DoTs which smn proves is OP) is basically saying that we should just have 4 casters and a bard for foes dps increase to the max. or have 2 bards for alternating foes and 3 casters. something i should point out is it's ONLY and 10% magic res decrease, essentially a 5-10% damage buff for about 45-60 seconds which yes is good but realistically it will take you 2 minutes or so to get that all back and if you use a paeon's for about 30 seconds just till invigorate you've only reduced your damage by 20% for 30 seconds while keeping your melee at 450+ and then can switch to foes for 30 seconds.
what i'm asking is help for others as well as myself so that i can better increase the efficiency of my support abilities.