Paladin needs an enmity/potency buff.

[Grievar]

Before anyone has a chance to go with the obvious, yes I fully acknowledge that I might just be bad at the game. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, I'd like to say that my only DOW classes that are 50 are both tanks who have cleared t9 and are BiS.

Does anyone else feel that PLD needs some kind of scaling buff to keep up with today's BiS (and WAR) dps and enmity generation? Every damage class has some kind of damage increasing buff that can be constantly applied with little to no cooldown (i.e. Warrior's Maim and Wrath stacks), while all PLD has is Fight or Flight. While we also have Shield Oath, we have no other ways to increase our damage output and enmity gain besides these two skills. For example, if I let up for even a second in Turn 9 of SCOB, my OT can pull enmity immediately if she were to crit 2-3 Butcher's Block combos. After my Fight or Flight wears off, she still has a constant damage buff in the form of Maim and crit increase in the form of her Wrath stacks.

[Grievar]

Please leave any thoughts on this subject below and please, please, PLEASE do not leave behind comments that are completely unrelated to my question (i.e. 'Get gud scrub" or "Play a different class idiot" or "You just suck bro" or "Buy crafted accessories and meld them moron"). For the sake of the post, please only answer with your thoughts on a possible PLD damage/potency/enmity buff or increase.

TLDR; Does PLD need a scaling buff to keep up with everyone else, especially WAR's Maim and Wrath stacks?

[SeraviEdalborez]

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, I'd like to say that my only DOW classes that are 50 are both tanks who have cleared t9 and are BiS.

BiS for tanks is highly subjective so that doesn't tell a lot. I'm going to assume you mean something like i110 VIT accs, parry focus. Which is honestly your problem. Best tank spec right now is i90 Ruby melds (or Topaz if you think speed is the devil), Det focus, optionally putting 30 in STR. I tried going back to VIT accs once just for the hell of it and it sucked to have to tell my OT WAR to throttle himself because I sucked again at holding hate before 3rd combo or so.

PLD is fine. Don't ignore issues just because they don't agree with what you want to hear.

Also your OT shouldn't be at that huge of a risk of pulling hate. They might be the ones doing something wrong. My OT opens with Storm's Eye combo then Butcher combo and rotates the two, and he will only occasionally pull hate on the first Butcher for 1-2 GCDs. If your OT is doing 2 Butcher combos in a row and that's causing you to lose hate, they are the problem. If they are doing "normal" behavior, you're going to just have to tell them to throttle themselves. Fracture or repeat Storm's Eye combo. It's only 20pot less total than Butcher combo.

The ideal OT WAR DPS rotation anyways is SE > Fracture > SE > BB > SE > repeat from the top. Have them do that and if they still pull hate then something is wrong.

[melflomil]

WAR will always win the Battle of enmity solely because of all the skill that literally triples their damage. Even if you use all strength accessories WAR can rip the enmity right off you (will be a little harder if you do go all strength accessories lol). Regardless of WAR you should be miles ahead of all the other class minus the WHM if everyone has ilvl110 gear and ilvl115 weapons. I think you should sub out some of your VIT accessories and start using Melee accessories. Specifically ones that has Crit and Determination as secondary stats (if you don't need the accuracy).

PAL has gets 20% damage reduction by shield oath and damage reduction is better than increased defense or health.

[SirTaint]

PLD BiS is i110 STR not ruby

But besides WARs opener I always feel more comfortable with hate on PLD on longer fights like Coil.

[Alphras]

I never saw our PLD lose aggro against our DPS. So no, I don't think they need a buff in that department.

Edit: Just seeing, if your OT is pulling aggro you need to have a serious talk with him. He is just making your live harder and is wasting dps if he is using just Butchers Block or stays in Defiance all the time.

PAL has gets 20% damage reduction by shield oath and damage reduction is better than increased defense or health.

You are forgetting the healing buff WAR has. In terms of effective health PLD and WAR are the same. In terms of healing needed the WAR needs ~4,16% more (before other effects).

[SeraviEdalborez]

WAR will always win the Battle of enmity solely because of all the skill that literally triples their damage. Even if you use all strength accessories WAR can rip the enmity right off you (will be a little harder if you do go all strength accessories lol). Regardless of WAR you should be miles ahead of all the other class minus the WHM if everyone has ilvl110 gear and ilvl115 weapons. I think you should sub out some of your VIT accessories and start using Melee accessories. Specifically ones that has Crit and Determination as secondary stats (if you don't need the accuracy).

PAL has gets 20% damage reduction by shield oath and damage reduction is better than increased defense or health.

If a WAR is "always" at risk of pulling hate from you, you're doing something pretty wrong. Or your WAR is using Butcher combo far too much. Or has Defiance on when not MT.

[Warrlordd]

The reality is that warriors need to use 'non-enmity' attacks in order to apply buffs, which is two separate combos compared to just the on 'enmity' combo. These buffs need to be applied fairly regularly. So the enmity actually balances out quite well. As far as losing enmity to anyone else, that much is no good. I recommend addressing that if you are failing to hold aggro.

If your OT is staying in defiance while not tanking, blame the hell outta them.

So I don't think that PLD needs potency/enmity buffs and I disagree with you because two equally skilled tanks will balance out near perfectly.

[Kerwin]

When it comes to dungeon runs black mages always get close to stripping hate off of me on PLD if I let up for a second on flashes. WAR is a down right better dungeon runner. As for primal and coils PLD doesn't have any real enmity issues. The constant use of RoH keeps you right where you need to be. If your WAR OT is pulling aggro he isn't making use of his other weapon skills other then Butchers.

[Steady]

Enmity is fine. I'm i109 on both, I don't have issues any more or less than the other. What some people may have problems with is being a new tank with few gear options and paring up with players who have mostly end game gear.