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  1. #171
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiawara View Post
    Lol, I'm the only person so far of 17 pages who gave the OP a like...
    No one else likes this being a tank? We do need more tanks, what's the problem?
    Can't wait for gameplay.
    Do tell. Queing for Coil 5: Everyone else - five minutes. The last stupid tank - 5 hours. I never tanked before but am still glad we get more tanks. We have like, what, five damage dealer job, three healers and two tanks. Plus the ninjas are comming. so make that six dps jobs-
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    DRK makes 0 sense has a tank considering FF history.
    All their skills are about dealing more damage than enemies do to them by doing HP/DPS trades and inflicting status effects. DRK should be a DPS class, knight sword DPS class as always has been. In fact DRK are Black Magic and stats downgrading skills.

    SAM on the other hand, considering FF history, has been always more "tankish" (actually a reaction-tank with support skills) and its tradition as a class goes back to Ogre Tactic`s Swordmaster class, nowhere near a DPS class.

    But well, SE can do whatever, but more than a few will be dissapointed if DRK is DPS and SAM is not a tank.
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    I for one am ecstatic to see DRK confirmed as a tank.

    QuQ

    TY SE for making my dreams come true. I'll look forward to it.

    Honestly, though, i have no idea why anyone is complaining that the DRK's classic ability to sacrifice HP for a huge dps spike is bad for a tank. They'll just work on a sliding scale (much like warriors and paladins already do with sword oath and no-defiance making them squishier but improving dps). We already have a damage mitigation tank, and a self healing tank, why not make dark knight a dps-optional tank? Give a good HP pool that can be sacrificed for dps to deal with trash pulls or finish off bosses. I can imagine this working spectacularly, especially if the damage spikes are high enough to out dps a healer in dps mode. Like any job it will most likely just be about knowing when to use your tools at the appropriate time.
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  4. #174
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang View Post
    DRK makes 0 sense has a tank considering FF history.
    All their skills are about dealing more damage than enemies do to them by doing HP/DPS trades and inflicting status effects. DRK should be a DPS class, knight sword DPS class as always has been. In fact DRK are Black Magic and stats downgrading skills.

    SAM on the other hand, considering FF history, has been always more "tankish" (actually a reaction-tank with support skills) and its tradition as a class goes back to Ogre Tactic`s Swordmaster class, nowhere near a DPS class.

    But well, SE can do whatever, but more than a few will be dissapointed if DRK is DPS and SAM is not a tank.
    We're still going to get more tanks...Just probably not this expansion.
    I'm sure the 2 class/jobs we'll get is it for this entire expansion. Rogue/Ninja just hit the before mark,
    unless they shoot another DPS in it COULD be Samurai.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lori View Post
    No one is saying we don't need more tanks, it just would have been preferred to have DRK as DPS and Samurai (or some other job) as tank.

    But whatever Im still excited for it. Almost makes me not even care about Ninja now
    I understand but look how they did Bard lol. I mean they completely killed that one lol.
    Just because some jobs where this and that in XI or whatever doesn't mean it can't
    change in different Final Fantasies...like they did bard but killed. I say let's wait and see
    how DRK is first, could be lots of fun.
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    Last edited by Mugiawara; 10-26-2014 at 12:56 AM.

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    I've been looking forward to DRK myself. It doesn't bother me that its a tank job in the slightest. (My main concern is how people treat new tanks, to be honest.) I'm interested to see how this will work out. I have a feeling it might even end up being a healer's favorite.

    Drain has already been mentioned, but there's also Dread Spikes and the Absorb-Stat spells. Combining those with some other "traditional" FF DRK abilities, like sacrificing say, 10%-20% (that's only 100-200 per 1k) of your hp to turn any attack skill into an aoe, I think we're looking at a pretty powerful, self-sustaining tank. I'm imagining Sacrifice + Sanguine Sword/Blood Weapon on a horde of uglies with lots of flashy XIV stuff. Rawr.

    Likely they'll also have a DPS mode that they can throw on for OT. Vehemence/Last Resort stance maybe. Something akin to PLD Sword stance, or a WAR not using Defiance.

    Anyway, I plan on giving it a try. 'Cause Greatswords. <3
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    I hope samurai and drk are tanks and they introduce more jobs for dmg dealers. I don't mind there being more tank classes than healer classes considering tanks are right now the bottleneck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiawara View Post
    Lol, I'm the only person so far of 17 pages who gave the OP a like...
    No one else likes this being a tank? We do need more tanks, what's the problem?
    Can't wait for gameplay.
    No one is saying we don't need more tanks, it just would have been preferred to have DRK as DPS and Samurai (or some other job) as tank.

    But whatever Im still excited for it. Almost makes me not even care about Ninja now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang View Post
    DRK makes 0 sense has a tank considering FF history.
    All their skills are about dealing more damage than enemies do to them by doing HP/DPS trades and inflicting status effects. DRK should be a DPS class, knight sword DPS class as always has been. In fact DRK are Black Magic and stats downgrading skills.

    SAM on the other hand, considering FF history, has been always more "tankish" (actually a reaction-tank with support skills) and its tradition as a class goes back to Ogre Tactic`s Swordmaster class, nowhere near a DPS class.

    But well, SE can do whatever, but more than a few will be dissapointed if DRK is DPS and SAM is not a tank.
    I see youve never played ff4 n are goin by ff11 knowledge
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    Hey guys FF14 is a game that is allowed to stand on it's own by doing things. It doesn't need to follow decisions from the previous series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmniKLD View Post
    I see youve never played ff4 n are goin by ff11 knowledge
    I see you didnt either, because DRK was never a tank in FF4
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