Thank you SE!! (DF lockout)

[Snugglebutt]

ONLY if they can allow direct invites to the dungeon. The progress is the only way I know I might be getting someone's dungeon run to help them out to finish. Otherwise, it will be enter, look around, wrong group, leave. Queue up again, enter, look around, wrong party, leave. Yet another bad decision from SE that we cannot invite directly into a dungeon. That is the only time I have ever fished.

And because of their bad decision making, I might be punished starting Tuesday to help friends out. Many times it takes several fresh run withdraws, in order to get the partial run I wanted to help someone out. Which is bad. The partial run should have taken priority and been in front of the queue to begin with.

You would rightly deserve to be punished for doing so in my opinion even if not everyone will agree and the reason is all those groups you enter and ditch in an effort to find someone specific is screwing with all those other people in those other groups. If going to join an in progress run then help the people you first join with or don't join in the first place, the friend would probably get someone come in and help even if it is not you and if they don't then help them run it again after they finish the current run only this time help from the beginning instead of trolling all those other groups trying to find your friend.

Way too many people abuse the system while trying to fish for things like final boss only, consider yourself a casualty of war if you feel like it punishes you alongside them but while it might seem mean...I have very little sympathy for those who fish for a friends group anymore so than those who fish for final boss since I still consider it trolling a lot of other groups while searching for their friend. I have no problem with adding an invite function to an already in dungeon running group and it would be a good idea to have such but as the system works currently without it your annoying the many groups you pass through on the way to finding your specific one.

[Mykll]

You would rightly deserve to be punished for doing so in my opinion even if not everyone will agree and the reason is all those groups you enter and ditch in an effort to find someone specific is screwing with all those other people in those other groups. If going to join an in progress run then help the people you first join with or don't join in the first place, the friend would probably get someone come in and help even if it is not you and if they don't then help them run it again after they finish the current run only this time help from the beginning instead of trolling all those other groups trying to find your friend.

Way too many people abuse the system while trying to fish for things like final boss only, consider yourself a casualty of war if you feel like it punishes you alongside them but while it might seem mean...I have very little sympathy for those who fish for a friends group anymore so than those who fish for final boss since I still consider it trolling a lot of other groups while searching for their friend. I have no problem with adding an invite function to an already in dungeon running group and it would be a good idea to have such but as the system works currently without it your annoying the many groups you pass through on the way to finding your specific one.

I'll consider myself and everyone a casualty of a bad system. If I KNOW there is an in progress, why is that not the front of the queue ahead of a fresh group that has not even started yet?

If the friend already had to wait hours, or myself had to wait hours as a dps to get into something, and I can easily offer to swap to tank or healer, knowing my then empty dps slot would fill up faster, why would I think staying in as dps instead of changing roles for the group, or letting someone I know rot waiting for a replacement or starting over at the back of the line for a new run, that we would get a replacement before the dungeon timer runs out, when we/they already waited longer than the timer just to get in to begin with?

You agree with a system to have direct invites. If that happened that I would bypass the groups I am not looking for. Same as me trying to help a friend, or me offering to swap from dps to a tank/healer so the current group can continue instead of starting over at the end of the line, because I am not blind to long queue times. We want the same thing and it is just splitting hairs with the same end result, except the groups that I withdraw never know that I "withdrew" and passed them up with a direct invite to the dungeon.

[Snugglebutt]

You agree with a system to have direct invites. If that happened that I would bypass the groups I am not looking for. Same as me trying to help a friend, or me offering to swap from dps to a tank/healer so the current group can continue instead of starting over at the end of the line, because I am not blind to long queue times. We want the same thing and it is just splitting hairs with the same end result, except the groups that I withdraw never know that I "withdrew" and passed them up with a direct invite to the dungeon.

Yes I agree an invite function would be good but until that time with the current system people who keep ditching groups and ditching queues should be punished, we have the punishment for those who ditch in progress via a 30 minute lockout and now we have a punishment for those who keep trolling, abusing or ditching the groups when the window pops up to start a run.

These punishments are good incentive to stop people doing those things which annoy a vast amount of people. If they add an invite function, great but this latest punishment is merely a step in the right direction to solve a multitude of problems...what you do adds to this problem even if unintentionally, this latest measure does not solve all the problems and solution to your specific aspect which currently adds to the problem this is trying to deter may come about further down the line. I consider it one step of many they will probably introduce over time.

The current amount of time locked out from withdrawing constantly over and over is debatable but what is not as far as I am concerned is the need for a lockout punishment for such actions and a three strike rule seems fair amount of chances to stop abusing, trolling or annoying the other members of groups.

[Mykll]

Yes I agree an invite function would be good but until that time with the current system people who keep ditching groups and ditching queues should be punished, we have the punishment for those who ditch in progress via a 30 minute lockout and now we have a punishment for those who keep trolling, abusing or ditching the groups when the window pops up to start a run.

Just to clarify, I have withdrawn before, if the in progress does not match the friend I am looking for. Or, the rare "Oh crap I forgot to uncheck that dungeon". But I have never gone into a dungeon, seen I got the wrong group, and left. I stuck it out. I agree that this is a step in the right direction, but it seems like it could turn out to be a poor Band-Aid slapped onto a poorly conceived and executed system.

[BobbinT]

You would rightly deserve to be punished...

So... you think anyone who DF-ing for like more than half hours and missed their commence by accident because no one in right mind staring the screen that long unless he/she got not life, and have to re-DF again are not punishable enough?

there are many other things in game could do which fills time while queuing.

and please enlight us those "things" that are risk-free and not mind-numbingly boredom-fest.

[Snugglebutt]

So... you think anyone who DF-ing for like more than half hours and missed their commence by accident because no one in right mind staring the screen that long unless he/she got not life, and have to re-DF again are not punishable enough?

Given if you miss one or two times you do not get this new punishment, then yes because clearly you don't care very much for missing the commencement if you do it over and over again despite missing the previous times. That's why it is not a punishment for timing out or withdrawing for first few times, most people with some common sense would learn from their mistakes not constantly repeat them over and over again in the same day and especially if they actually cared about it.

[BobbinT]

Given if you miss one or two times you do not get this new punishment, then yes because clearly you don't care very much for missing the commencement if you do it over and over again despite missing the previous times. That's why it is not a punishment for timing out or withdrawing for first few times, most people with some common sense would learn from their mistakes not constantly repeat them over and over again in the same day and especially if they actually cared about it.

Define "care".

and yeah, you still haven't give that example of safe "things" you can do.

[Snugglebutt]

Define "care".

and yeah, you still haven't give that example of safe "things" you can do.

I do not feel the need to define it. It is pretty obvious as to what it means in the context of what I said.

If you need that also explaining, you must be trolling. Given your faces at the end of both sentences I am fairly certain that is the case.

EDITED: Since the person responded to continues to act like a child I will clarify and doing so here because hit my new post limit earlier.

Don't feel the need, or you just have no idea?

When I said "define", that means I'm questioning that person if they truly understand the meaning of the word they use. And from your last post, it's apparent that you don't. And it's not just some literal meaning you can pull from a mere Merriam-Webster dictionary either.

And it's really hilarious that you can't even dare to give out that example of yours.

Just stop talking before making it worse. lol

I am not making anything worse for myself, your merely showing your own ignorance or proving that you are indeed trolling/baiting by asking such questions despite being given the answer in the very first post you refer to and when in combination with using some common sense it is quite simple to understand.

Firstly if a person truly cared about it they would not continue to purposefully choose to put at risk the chance to participate in the thing they proclaim to care so much about. Even cats, dogs, mice and rats learn from their mistakes, some people here apparently do not or do not care enough to correct their behavior and avoid missing out on what it is they supposedly care about within the context of this thread which is starting a raid or dungeon.

On the second thing, refers to every other activity in the game that you might care less about having to ditch than compared to losing the materials and financial investment which occurs when ditching a HQ craft to enter a dungeon, trial or raid. I never once used the word 'safe' which was your initial attempt at trolling, misleading and misrepresenting my comment.

[BobbinT]

I do not feel the need to define it. It is pretty obvious as to what it means in the context of what I said.

If you need that also explaining, you must be trolling. Given your faces at the end of both sentences I am fairly certain that is the case.

Don't feel the need, or you just have no idea?

When I said "define", that means I'm questioning that person if they truly understand the meaning of the word they use. And from your last post, it's apparent that you don't. And it's not just some literal meaning you can pull from a mere Merriam-Webster dictionary either.

And it's really hilarious that you can't even dare to give out that example of yours.

Just stop talking before making it worse. lol

[Cuervo78]

Define "care".

and yeah, you still haven't give that example of safe "things" you can do.

You could do daily hunts, fetch a treasure map, minimize the game and go to youtube,...