Thank you SE!! (DF lockout)

[Felis]

Then just report and resort to party finder then. No use in crying about it. Besides, I highly doubt there are going to be a lot of people waiting in long queues just to troll afterwards.

Tanks would do it

[MilesSaintboroguh]

And why would they go this far in the first place?

[Noshpan]

They wouldn't have had to introduce this feature if some people didn't act like complete cockwombles and fish for insta-ques.

As the sayings goes "A few bad apples spoils the whole bunch", "This is why we can't have nice things" etc. Even if you, yourself, don't DF fish, we, as a community, have only ourselves to blame for a feature (that I welcome) being implemented.

[Giantbane]

They wouldn't have had to introduce this feature if some people didn't act like complete cockwombles and fish for insta-ques.

As the sayings goes "A few bad apples spoils the whole bunch", "This is why we can't have nice things" etc. Even if you, yourself, don't DF fish, we, as a community, have only ourselves to blame for a feature (that I welcome) being implemented.

They could have come up with a better solution than 3 withdrawls per day. 3 withdrawls every hour, or every few hours you'd think would still curb the fishing that is causing the problems here. They could also have changed the display so it doesn't show whether a run is in progress or not. Although I suppose it depends on what their idea of "temporary" is. If it's only a 5 min timeout or something like that, it's not that bad. But we'll have to wait and see.

-OR-

Since the problem is fishing for instant queues, just give people what they want. Give them 3 options for queuing: "fresh dungeons only", "in progress or fresh dungeons", or "in progress only". If people really, really only want to do dungeons that are already in progress, let them. This will effectively get everyone who is fishing for dungeons OUT of the pool of players that just want to run the dungeon from start to finish and you won't get any fishing whatsoever. And before you think that everyone's just going to do "join in progress only", you have to remember that if too many people start doing "join in progress only" they're going to have to wait in line not only with everyone else who wants to "join in progress only" but they'll also be in line with "join in progress optional". At that point, you're probably going to end up waiting longer in the "join in progress only" line than it would have taken to just do the dungeon from start to finish. It will balance itself out that way.

In addition, don't show the actual progress of the dungeon. CT/ST was changed to showing 0/1 only, no matter what the progression level was. That should be the standard for all dungeons. This will further reduce fishing for "last boss only" runs, and will prevent people dodging "bad" in progress runs like 0/3 or 0/4, which is arguably where people need the most help.

And then to just to take care of the trolls that like to queue/withdraw just to mess with people, give anyone with 3+ withdraws in a 1hr timespan a 10min timeout.

Granted, it's a slightly more involved solution, but it should handle most of the withdraw problems we've been seeing, without the risk of being overly punitive to those who get stuck in a situation where they need to withdraw for legitimate reasons.

[winxbloom61]

Then go take care of your business first? You make it sound like you have to withdraw 3 times straight. I rather not have my party wait several minutes longer because every other person joining "suddenly" had to do something else/couldn't drop what they were doing in game.

um not all things can be tooken care BEFORE hand your logic is selfish just because u dont have emerergys come up or choirs u get called to do last mintue that you werent expect dosnt mean the rest of us have a perfect full day to sit still watching the duty finder.

so stop being selfish anyone who believes this is a okay system is really selfish there are legit reason to withdraw that can not be helped

theres health issues for 1
theres family matters that come up for 2
power outages for short times

and wireless connection acting weird for a day is another but thats not all people could have legitmit reason

all for what because u cant wait but 3 more mintues or few seconds for most cases you going to punish people who leave for logical and realist reasons

its completely selfish logic

[MilesSaintboroguh]

And the other side isn't selfish by holding up the rest of the party?

[winxbloom61]

And the other side isn't selfish by holding up the rest of the party?

no they arent not mostly its for logical reasons they cant HELP whats so hard to understand some people cant help it for that time or day and its not harming ANYONE IN ANY WAY u just gotta wait 30 seconds at max normally plus UR A HEALER so u rlly should shut up about the search time unlike dps who has hours of queing u get what 5mins max of a search ur really selfish u know that

heres the reason why this is wrong
2 weeks ago my day went
first with draw was cuz of the time and i had to throw up out of know where (food poisoning)
second time i was withdrawen was my kitty cat playing with her toy accidently unpluged my connection
and third time the power went out no thunder storm or anything just boom out
and for that i would be punished for a issue that wasnt helpable and was completely unexpected and way out of my power so i should be punished cuz some selfish perfect life rich kids dont have to wait another 3 mins or less for a duty im sorry but thats screwed up

[Stormrider]

no they arent not mostly its for logical reasons they cant HELP whats so hard to understand some people cant help it for that time or day and its not harming ANYONE IN ANY WAY u just gotta wait 30 seconds at max normally plus UR A HEALER so u rlly should shut up about the search time unlike dps who has hours of queing u get what 5mins max of a search ur really selfish u know that

I am not sure about selfish. But really it is three times in a play window. I would think if you are having that many life issues you should step back from the game or inflicted your issues upon the community(sounds mean).

[myahele]

I guess we'll see how this pans out in the next few days. if it turns out to be a huge burden I can see SE changing it ASAP.

The only thinh is that people will have to wait alot longer for tanks to queue if thier previous tank leaves

[Snugglebutt]

um not all things can be tooken care BEFORE hand your logic is selfish just because u dont have emerergys come up or choirs u get called to do last mintue that you werent expect dosnt mean the rest of us have a perfect full day to sit still watching the duty finder.

so stop being selfish anyone who believes this is a okay system is really selfish there are legit reason to withdraw that can not be helped

Your legit reasons only apply to maybe once or maybe twice at most during a day, if happens three times then it is not a legit issue because if having that many emergencies in a single day and what you care about is whether or not do a raid or dungeon in a video game then you have your priorities completed messed up. If a parent or yourself need to do the chores then use some common sense and do them before putting yourself in a queue, even if your playing and first time have to go away to do a chore then again use common sense and ask if need any others doing or do any others before put self back in the queue. Take responsibility for your actions and the consequences of them.

There is no reason for you to miss or ditch a queue once popped up three times during a single day with your excuse of emergencies. A single emergency is understandable but three in the same day is not, if was that unlucky to have three in a single day...after the first one or two you should be reevaluating joining a queue in the first place especially if they are actual emergencies and not just inconveniences. This punishment system is fine and those who try to abuse the system by waiting till in dungeon before going afk hoping to get vote kicked will still suffer a consequence of being blacklisted by the community as in people will not group with them anymore, will not invite them to raids or hunts and might even report them for abusing the system which could end up being a longer ban than 24 hours for them.

Plus as said above chores is not a valid excuse either, do your chores before you play and like before if your quitting when pops up more than three times in a single day you shouldn't have been in the queue until they were done after first time getting called away. You do not get punished for dropping out a queue prior to popping up so you had plenty of time to evaluate whether or not have time to do the dungeon or raid prior to then and your excuses above about cat pulling power cord, throwing up plus additional power cut seem very unlikely in the sense they would all have to had to happen within the 45 seconds I believe that the window popped up each time out of an entire 24 hour period.

If your going afk and off watching TV or doing something else while waiting in a queue then you deserve to be punished for wasting everyone's time if don't care enough to even be playing the game or watching the screen when times out multiple times during the day. You should learn from your mistakes and if times out once or twice because you can't be bothered to pay attention then you should of corrected your behavior and not allowed to keep happening for a third time. Do not do high level HQ crafting while in a queue unless your willing to stop crafting when pops up, there are many other things in game could do which fills time while queuing.