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  1. #21
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    Tex Mex
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hulan View Post
    That's more the ROG flowchart than the NIN flowchart though. NIN will also have to manage Futon, Doton, and Suiton buffs/debuffs in addition to those things. I suspect Kassatsu timing is going to be fairly critical and likely a point of debate for months.
    If the class is anything like BRD or DRG, then the input from NIN ability usage will be only a small part of the DPS. The ROG portion will likely be 80% or more of the total damage output for the class. I mean look at DRG..... 3 jumps on long CD's and one auto crit mechanic..... thats it. The LNC portion makes up almost the entire class. And BRD abilities do absolutely nothing for the DPS rotation of ARC. I am interested to see some of the CD's of the ninjutsu and mudra stuff. Time will tell
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinKaen View Post
    It's not gc speed decreased, it's auto attack speed increased 15%. Not sure how you missed that.
    Huton

    Increases attack speed by 15%. Duration: 70s
    Mudra Combination: Jin→Chi→Ten or Chi→Jin→Ten

    That is the exact text from the patch notes. attack speed did affect the GCD I thought???? Am I wrong on this????? It does not say auto attack speed
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  3. #23
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Erudain View Post
    just checking NIN also has a 300 TP refreshing skill....if it can cross skills with DGN = 700tp restored...that's huge if you bleed TP like a DGN/MNK does
    Goad

    Refreshes TP of a single party member. Duration: 30s

    Don't know if this can be used on self or not. But I would guess that it can. Unfortunately, the TP costs were not included with the abilities, so it is tough to tell how much TP that NIN will burn through.
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  4. #24
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    Blueballd Ninja
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Skill speed and attack speed are different. Look at fey light from selene, it specifically says increases skill speed.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinKaen View Post
    Skill speed and attack speed are different. Look at fey light from selene, it specifically says increases skill speed.
    So I looked up the ability text for greased lightning for monk and it states this:

    Additional Effect: Grants Greased Lightning for 12s.
    Greased Lightning Bonus: Increases damage dealt by 9% and attack speed by 5%.

    They call it attack speed there as well, and I thought that the GCD for monk was affected by greased lightning. Can anyone else confirm or deny this?
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    Vann Leon
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    Tonberry
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Skill speed affect caster GCD
    Atk Speed affect meele GCD
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  7. #27
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    Blueballd Ninja
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Spell speed...
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    Kuroyasha Tenshi
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    Gilgamesh
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Tex_Mex View Post
    So I looked up the ability text for greased lightning for monk and it states this:

    Additional Effect: Grants Greased Lightning for 12s.
    Greased Lightning Bonus: Increases damage dealt by 9% and attack speed by 5%.

    They call it attack speed there as well, and I thought that the GCD for monk was affected by greased lightning. Can anyone else confirm or deny this?
    Yes it affects the GCD directly when it says atk speed. Idk what the other poster is trying to say.
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  9. #29
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    Philia Felice
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Greased Lightning affects both GCD and auto-attack speed, so it's safe to assume Huton does the same thing.
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    Steady Styrmdraga
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tex_Mex View Post
    hehe it is funny just how simple class mechanics tend to be in this game. One thing I did find myself wondering was why they would give both ninja and warrior a slashing debuff mechanic. The optimal rotation for NIN will change by quite a bit (leaving out Dancing Edge Combo almost entirely) if a warrior is in the party. I think I wouldve rather seen a self damage increase buff of 5-10% as the effect of Dancing Edge. That way the class would get a cool class benefit for having both NIN and WAR, like BRD gets a benefit from disembowel when a DRG is in the party. Though maybe this would lead to the class being OP when a warrior is present.
    Ninja gives Warrior's love. I love it.
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