Shiva EX weapons i110? Really?

[DragonSlayer45]

Are the weapons rare drops or guaranteed?

We don't know yet. If they are rare, that's even worse for Shiva EX. Unless its one guaranteed i110 weapon and i120 bracelet drop, which makes it slightly better but not by a whole lot.

[Mindylou]

a primal shouldn't have anywhere near 115..110 is fine for any weapon
accessories higher are quite enough

[Coatl]

Yeah, just like people did good king moggle mog for the ribbons and people did Ramuh for his rings.

Oh, wait...

Yeah, actually. I heal for my coil group and I have no high allagan ring of healing to show for it. But it's no problem, I just do Ramuh and I have something that's just as good (and possibly a nice i100 weapon for an alt class).

Shiva is the same way. Try your luck at Final coil, and watch as RNG screws you. No problemo, just do Shiva EX for an i120 bracelet until you get your Final Coil one. Shiva's bracelet is just as good as the poetic ring and you can farm Shiva infinitely, versus waiting 2 weeks before you spend your poetic stones on another piece of gear.

[Prototype909]

Yeah, actually. I heal for my coil group and I have no high allagan ring of healing to show for it. But it's no problem, I just do Ramuh and I have something that's just as good (and possibly a nice i100 weapon for an alt class).

Shiva is the same way. Try your luck at Final coil, and watch as RNG screws you. No problemo, just do Shiva EX for an i120 bracelet until you get your Final Coil one. Shiva's bracelet is just as good as the poetic ring and you can farm Shiva infinitely, versus waiting 2 weeks before you spend your poetic stones on another piece of gear.

The difference is that Ramuh is actually on par with Coil whereas this is not. Upgrading accessories is also the smallest upgrade possible for gear.

[Coatl]

Ramuh came out when 2nd coil was already old content. Shiva EX and Final Coil are coming out at the same time.

It would make no sense if the loot from Shiva, who can be farmed infinitely, would be on par with Final Coil, which you are locked out of clearing more than once a week and aren't even guaranteed loot.

[Martin_Arcainess]

I know the OP said you can just use a UAT but it's just a UAT you need, you need about 10 Rowena's tokens to get the orignal weapon in the first place.

[Prototype909]

I know the OP said you can just use a UAT but it's just a UAT you need, you need about 10 Rowena's tokens to get the orignal weapon in the first place.

Soldiery will be uncapped, you can farm two of those weapons in one day if you care enough

[Crater]

I feel like this is largely a response to how quickly people stormed through Second Coil, with the i95 Leviathan weapons being a pretty big contributor to letting people further optimize at the i90 level to start taking them on within the first couple weeks. This time around, your only real viable options for Final Coil are going to be the Nexus, which is a gigantic time and gil sink that few people have completed, and High Allagan, which still drops from a fight that is almost certainly longer and more difficult than Shiva was ever going to be. If they don't want anyone but the absolute best of the best getting through T11-T12 in the first couple weeks, it's an understandable decision.

Having said that, yeah, it really, really sucks. This feels in a lot of ways like taking a step backward, not just from 2.3, but all the way back to 2.0, where the only viable weapon progression path was to get your relic, and then your Zenith. I felt that the 2.2 model was, on the whole, quite well designed, and it's a real disappointment to see this sort of regression in a progression patch.

[Prototype909]

If they don't want anyone but the absolute best of the best getting through T11-T12 in the first couple weeks, it's an understandable decision.

You won't even be able to get into T10 without a T9 clear so I'm not sure how Shiva dropping an i115 weapon would even be relevant to downing T11 or T12, if you could enter T10-13 then an i115 weapon is already within your grasp. Just like having an i115 weapon alone doesn't get you into T10 let alone get you a clear.

[SirTaint]

Farming a primal for the i110 weapons i still want, sounds way more fun then ever doing ST again plus farming 1300 soldiery that could be used elsewhere. Everyone will want the i120 bracelets since buying the poetics wrist in the first 6-8 weeks would be a retarded waist of the tome. (Raiders will be saving tomes for i130 weapons and everyone else should be focused on their left side)