Zodiac quests should not be nerfed if 3.0 introduces brand new relics

[MasamuneBranford]

If the 2.0 weapons continue to be upgraded post 3.0 then that is an entirely different story (one that justifies nerfs). However, if everyone is back to square one (new relics) post 3.0 - then that in itself eliminates the reasoning behind nerfing the zodiac quests (new players will be caught-up when the new questline is introduced).

At least allow the players who put in the time to have the benefit of glamours. There are plenty of players who suffered through the atma phase (many spent 100+ hours). If these weapons are going to be outdated in a mere 6 months - then what is the point of playing catch-up? What is the point of ever playing at more than a casual pace if all items (regardless of necessity) are gift-wrapped to the entire community? This is an instance where it is not necessary (assuming new relics in 3.0).

Old content should be nerfed when new / casual players are faced with unreasonable amount of catch-up. That I completely understand. If there are new relics in 3.0 - any nerfs lose their purpose.

[Songi]

Really, each phase should've been nerfed as the new one was released. Oh well, better late than never I guess.

[Warlyx]

in 2.4 110weapons will be so easy to get that no1 is going to bother with Zodiac weapons if u dont nerf quest to the ground.

Doing Zodiac quests is a good way to keep players paying monthly , while they finish the atma>books >alexandrites > farm dutys > ???

or just buy 100 weapon with soldiery that rains down the sky (2.4) , UAT who doesnt have 1 at least by now? else go ST and get 1 this week no1 need on it anymore > free 110

p.d dont forget ALT jobs....doing the quest a 2nd time sucks

[MasamuneBranford]

in 2.4 110weapons will be so easy to get that no1 is going to bother with Zodiac weapons if u dont nerf quest to the ground.

Doing Zodiac quests is a good way to keep players paying monthly , while they finish the atma>books >alexandrites > farm dutys > ???

or just buy 100 weapon with soldiery that rains down the sky (2.4) , UAT who doesnt have 1 at least by now? else go ST and get 1 this week no1 need on it anymore > free 110

p.d dont forget ALT jobs....doing the quest a 2nd time sucks

I think the atma phase is horrible. I also think the books take forever. These are things that SE should have fixed ages ago. But because they waited so long - the damage has been done and countless players have endured. As you say, there is no point for a new player to spend countless hours obtaining a meaningless item level 100 animus when item level 110 weapons are already a common commodity. In half a year, 3.0 will be released and there will likely be a new relic quest. There is no "need" to catch everyone up. If players who don't have a zodiac want it for glamour purposes - they have plenty of objectives to accomplish to obtain such weapon.

[Teryaani]

in 2.4 110weapons will be so easy to get that no1 is going to bother with Zodiac weapons if u dont nerf quest to the ground.

Exactly this. This is what any sane new player is going to do. Once the cap is moved to 2000, you'll be able to get a 110 every week (i'm assuming the 1/week limit on tomestones is staying, otherwise it'll be even worse).

Relic + Zenith? 3-4 hours
Atma? Lets be nice and say 16 hours
Animus? <throws up hands and runs ST>

[MasamuneBranford]

Exactly this. This is what any sane new player is going to do. Once the cap is moved to 2000, you'll be able to get a 110 every week (i'm assuming the 1/week limit on tomestones is staying, otherwise it'll be even worse).

Relic + Zenith? 3-4 hours
Atma? Lets be nice and say 16 hours
Animus? <throws up hands and runs ST>

This is pretty much my entire point. If a new questline is starting in 3.0 - why does there need to be a purpose and incentive for new / casual players to complete Zodiac? Let all of the time that previous players spent be worth something (as a nice glamour piece). It's not like new / casual players can't put in the time as well if they really want the glamour piece. I agree - there is better use of ones time but SE shouldn't make getting a Zodiac easier (to create incentive) when countless alternatives exist for new / casual players. All this does is diminish the effort countless other players put in not too long ago.

If you play an average amount of time per week you might be just wrapping up the animus phase or beginning the novus phase. Over the past 6 months you've probably spent a good 150-200 hours on this. By quickly pushing new / casual players to Novus - you're ultimately hurting the average player.

[Felis]

Relic + Zenith? 3-4 hours
Atma? Lets be nice and say 16 hours
Animus? <throws up hands and runs ST>

Animus < 1 day each book (if you have the myth)

[Teryaani]

Animus < 1 day each book (if you have the myth)

Just being hyperbolic. My wife and I blasted through each book in about a day (weekend) then did hunts for a couple days during the week (only 2-3 hours on most weekdays) to rebuild myth. So we were chugging through two books a week like that.

When compared to the time to get the soldiery weapons, especially with no soldiery cap, there's just no comparison. It's a weapon per week once the cap is lifted.

[Fellisin]

Exactly this. This is what any sane new player is going to do. Once the cap is moved to 2000, you'll be able to get a 110 every week (i'm assuming the 1/week limit on tomestones is staying, otherwise it'll be even worse).
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I would assume Soldier tomes in 2.4 will be same as Myth Tomes are now. So there be no limit on how many tomes you can earn in a week, past how much time you can commit to activities which earn them. Only limit will be on how many you'll be held at any one time.

[Teryaani]

I would assume Soldier tomes in 2.4 will be same as Myth Tomes are now. So there be no limit on how many tomes you can earn in a week, past how much time you can commit to activities which earn them. Only limit will be on how many you'll be held at any one time.

Whoops, should have been clear. I was referring to the Unidentified Allagan Tomestone that drops from Coil and the last bosses of ST. Right now it's 1/week. They likely will lift the 1/week drop restriction on gear in ST, but they may leave the 1/week restriction on those.