Thread: Remove the Class System in 3.0

Akiza's motivation for this suggestion is rooted in his/her desire to have the summoner split off from the scholar with the hope that the summoner class will be re-implemented as the FFXI summoner. This will probably not happen. With that in mind, I actually tend to prefer the current system under the condition more classes will have access to multiple jobs. I tend to fall in the camp that getting to the level cap means you've completed the tutorial (SE did give us a nice story), but the bulk of the game is spent doing activities at the level cap. The fact that players will have multiple jobs at 50 isn't a big deal since those jobs won't necessarily geared the same.. In addition, this is probably the best way to bring a duel role system in, which provides more flexibility to players, and if implemented in the duty finder (letting people register for a role with a given class), this would be a good way to reduce queue times.

Originally Posted by kyuven

What is Foe Requiem?

Posted by a level 50 Archer, oh bother...

Originally Posted by kyuven

They've already said they're redoing the way those work.
That, combined with the fact that, unlike all the other classes, ROG has an actual set visual aesthetic, tells me we might be seeing a split.
It's restrictive as it stands because there's not much tweaking you can do when adding a new job to suddenly make it take another role entirely.
For example, if you wanted to make CNJ a DPS job, you'd give them ALL DPS abilities but they'd still have some of the strongest heals in the game. ACN/SMN/SCH is the only real exception since the class/jobs were designed from the beginning to be split between heals and DPS.
The only current way to keep the system is to have certain abilities tweaked by being a different job a la Carbuncle->Eos/Garuda Egi

This can be prevented by making the skills Class/job restricted.
For instance make Cure2 CNJ/WHM only excluding the DPS job and add skills that are usable only on the DPS job.

Originally Posted by TheRogueX

Also, classes should have extremely open cross-class ability access, while jobs should be extremely narrow (perhaps only allow skills from the primary class and the secondary class). Add in generalized high-level class gear that can be crafted, and you've got a workable system.

This is basically how 1.23's style was. You could set the majority of things if you had access to them--Gladiators could set nukes if they wanted, but a Pld was limited only to the main job and cross job actions.

Since release I could tell this system needed to be redone, but I think the framework that's in place doesn't need to change much.

People use GLD/PLD/DRK, so I'll continue that trend. You get GLD to level 30, doing the class quests along the way. The quests make it clear that GLD are defenders. This is a problem if you want to tie DRK to GLD under the current system. In my version, you open PLD and level from 30 - 50. You decide you want to try DRK. You dust off your old GLD gear and go do the quest. You are granted a new weapon, let's say the Scythe. You equip the Scythe and your skills change to reflect the new Job. But now you have a weapon which makes you distinctly unique.

This would give the devs a chance to add some of the weapons that are iconic to certain jobs. White Mage Hammers? Summoner whips? It gives the freedom to fit new Jobs on top of the Class system in place without having a new Class every time a new weapon is required. Great Katanas, for example.

Frakkin' 1000 character cap... I took out the parts about how this is the system I think they should use, and that classes max out at 30 while Jobs start at 30 and max at level cap. Each Job would then level separately. So you could have PLD 50 and DRK would still be at 43. GLD would remain at 30.

One could argue that a new Job like this (With new weapons) would start at level 1, but I think that would frustrate a lot of people. Personally I would prefer that, but I'm trying to make the system sound appealing to all, and not just the hardcore folks that played FFXI. :P