Thread: Remove the Class System in 3.0

Originally Posted by Xystic

Could you clarify what you mean by "Restrict Jobs"?

"Summoner and Scholar should be split so Summoner can be a pet job and Scholar can be a healer tactical job"

Please look forward to it.

He does this only all the time.

Originally Posted by kyuven

for example, in a fight with skilled enough people, a Bard doesn't actually use their songs.

Wut? Maybe with skilled enough people, the brd doesn't need to play ballad. But the brd needs to play tp song, for example, in turn 8, especially if there is a skilled mnk in the party.

Originally Posted by kyuven

fixed it for you.
In a fight with skilled enough people, a Bard doesn't actually use their songs or rain of death. which makes me wonder at the potential viability of a pure archer.
Unfortunately they can't equip the relic weapon, so there's that.

Uhh I dont know what kind of group youre in but a BRDs songs are needed. TP Song in T8 for Melee, Foe Req and Mages Ballad for Casters Nuking.

I like classes, simply because it makes the Job feel more special from a lore perspective. Lots of people are thaumaturges, anyone can train to be one! But you're a black mage because you're awesome. So it gets "discarded" in usage. I don't really think that's a bad thing.

The second reason is that I like one class being able to split into different roles like Summoner and Scholar. They should keep doing that, they just need to make bonus points a per-job thing when the split causes you to use a new primary stat.
The idea you're limiting jobs to X weapons or Y skills is artificial and fixable.

I would say give the Class system time to expand. It does no harm to the game being there. You are going on a progressive route to 50 ability and level wise. Not to mention, what Yoshi-P said during the expansion announcements was "New Jobs", meaning possibly just new jobs attached to a previous class. Only thing SE really needs to change is letting you allocate stats within a job and not the class itself.

Originally Posted by Mysteran

My real disagreement with the system they have in place now is that the class and job share levels. I'd love to see you unlock a new job but it starts at level 1 (or hey, it starts at 30, why not...) but has its own advancement in levels from there. Your example brings up the big problem with it. Summoner and Scholar. I focused on Scholar before anything in 2.0, was my first 50. And you know what? I magically had a level 50 Summoner too that I just had to do a handful of quests to unlock.

It'll be the same if they add new jobs to existing classes if the system stays as is. Something has to change. If, for example, in 3.0 they add Dark Knight as a job for... i dunno. Lets say Gladiator because swords (Really, Just using it as an example, not saying it will or should be this class or anything of the sort). That means a level 50 Paladin just has to do about five quests or so, then they have a level 50 Dark Knight.

That PLD still needs to get gear for DRK, assuming DRK is the melee DPS counterpart. Which arguably is the hard part of getting a character ready, not necessarily the route from 1-50.

Originally Posted by Valmar

Uhh I dont know what kind of group youre in but a BRDs songs are needed. TP Song in T8 for Melee, Foe Req and Mages Ballad for Casters Nuking.

Foe Req and Mage's Ballad aren't strictly needed. It's not like healers run out of MP in every fight, and in my experience if they ARE there's a wipe coming soon whether or not ballad is up. Foe req is a convenience more than anything and completely pointless if you have no caster DPS in your party.
TP song maybe, but i've only seen one fight where that's cited. Recovery from death doesn't count, as my assumption is against encounters where no one is actually messing up.
Just as there ARE situations where the songs could come in handy or are necessary, there are also situations where they collect dust on the hotbar. Most of the songs are catered towards situations where people are dying. If no one in the party is dying, there's no need to sing.
Again things like t8 and Moggle Mog EX are the exception.

Originally Posted by Mysteran

I focused on Scholar before anything in 2.0, was my first 50. And you know what? I magically had a level 50 Summoner too that I just had to do a handful of quests to unlock.

no, you have a lv 50 ACN; and that ACN learned SMN and SCH skills, through job stones. you just did the same thing with SMN, as you did with SCH.
you don't level up SCH, you lv up ACN.
you don't lv up PLD, you lv up GLD; as such, if DRK comes from GLD, then you already know how to use a sword, so you just unlock your DRK skills from quests, like with every other job.
classes=wep skill level, which is why classes are tied to weps.