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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    If SCH shields would stack, there would be 0 reason to ever bring a WHM to end-game content again (there's already little reason currently given that they made all content equally heal-able by both, but SCH adds more utility to the party makeup).
    If by utility you mean the SCH spends 90% of the time in cleric stance while the WHM and Selene do all the healing then yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkimi View Post
    If by utility you mean the SCH spends 90% of the time in cleric stance while the WHM and Selene do all the healing then yes.
    I think you meant EOS. And lets be real WHM's are just as big if not bigger culprits to do just this, but sad part is that most WHM don't realize how to use CS effectively and neglect toggling it on/off in certain situations...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedd702 View Post
    I think you meant EOS. And lets be real WHM's are just as big if not bigger culprits to do just this, but sad part is that most WHM don't realize how to use CS effectively and neglect toggling it on/off in certain situations...
    No, he probably meant Selene. Almost no one bothers with Eos unless partied with another SCH already using Selene or when doing low-level content.

    As for utility, SCHs can heal effectively while maintaining at least some simultaneous DPS; pretty much full-time DPS if minimal healing is required in the first place. WHMs are better suited to patching up the party's boo-boos while the SCH can easily babysit a tank as they DPS. I just consider it playing to the classes' strengths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    No, he probably meant Selene. Almost no one bothers with Eos unless partied with another SCH already using Selene or when doing low-level content.

    As for utility, SCHs can heal effectively while maintaining at least some simultaneous DPS; pretty much full-time DPS if minimal healing is required in the first place. WHMs are better suited to patching up the party's boo-boos while the SCH can easily babysit a tank as they DPS. I just consider it playing to the classes' strengths.
    Ah I see... I play my sch differently than that. Selene I use when I need her silence, IE Coil 1 T4... other than that I prefer EOS to buff heals etc, especially on Boss fights where I may get hindered to cast my own heals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedd702 View Post
    Ah I see... I play my sch differently than that. Selene I use when I need her silence, IE Coil 1 T4... other than that I prefer EOS to buff heals etc, especially on Boss fights where I may get hindered to cast my own heals...
    I was very much anti-Selene at first simply because her buffs aren't that impactful on lower-tier content or dungeons, but the sad truth is that Eos, as fun as she is to use, is redundant for the majority of end-game unless you're solo healing and want Whispering Dawn in your pocket just in case your party is derp-prone when it comes to AoEs.

    I think my personal epiphany regarding Selene vs. Eos came one day when I was doing T6 or T7 with Eos out and realized that all of Eos' glitter spam wasn't actually doing anything for anyone. The WHM had AoE heals more than covered; the extra mdef buff wasn't very noticeable; the healing buff was nice, but really just creating more overhealing since we were healing fine to begin with. That's when I packed up Eos and learned to micromanage Selene since even 2-3% more raid damage was preferable in comparison. Not to mention I also play BLM and find Fey Glow to be very noticeable for that particular DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AquariusHaken View Post
    As it this now. Whm are able to stack the heal over time from their medica 2 on the same target. what I mean is that they can both be applied at the same time. But why is every shielding ability from multiple scholar not in this case? Only the strongest shield at a certain moment is applied, removing the other one. I think it makes it increasingly difficult to have 2 sch. (From exp 2whm goes a lot smoother)
    Simply, Pro and SS don't stack, it is system design consistency regardless op or not.
    IMO they will just nerf it in advance if it could be stack. ^^;
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    Selene is the way to go if you aren't a scroob sch and micro manage your pet...if you don't micro manage then reroll ninja in a few hours pls. I usually only bring EoS out when solo healing Ramuh EM or for T9 Megaflare... Then its back in the bag for EoS... Selene is just so dirty when you manage her fey glow and fey light manually and the extra SS buff she casts on her own (that most people don't know about).

    Also just STAHP with the WHM vs SCH e-peen measuring. As you can see in my avatar I am a lalafell with a moustache...I win.

    <3 Traumatic Trauma Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traumatic View Post
    Selene is the way to go if you aren't a scroob sch and micro manage your pet...if you don't micro manage then reroll ninja in a few hours pls. I usually only bring EoS out when solo healing Ramuh EM or for T9 Megaflare... Then its back in the bag for EoS... Selene is just so dirty when you manage her fey glow and fey light manually and the extra SS buff she casts on her own (that most people don't know about).

    Also just STAHP with the WHM vs SCH e-peen measuring. As you can see in my avatar I am a lalafell with a moustache...I win.

    <3 Traumatic Trauma Ultros
    I wouldn't go as far as saying Scrubbish. I prefer EOS at times, especially when on 24 man raids where I may have to pick up the slack with healing or if I am frozen by scyalla where I can hit WD, before hand. EOS has her uses, but for the most part, I agree with most of your post.

    PS: I think SE needs to implement an emote called "Punt" exclusively to other races except lalafewtballz :3
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  9. #29
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    yeah, we already complained about this a long time ago
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