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    Zumi Kasumi
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    In 2.45 you can help your friends in coil

    They said in live letter you will be able to help your friends in coil after you beat it, but you get less drop rates or something the more helpers you have.

    Thoughts?

    The question I have is will they lock out the people who have cleared once from looting more items? Say you take 4 people who already did their clear for the week, and they go in with 4 people who have not cleared. Now lets say the game penalizes you 50% less drops due to having 4 people who have already cleared, but if the people who already done it for the week can loot stuff this creates the situation of people getting way more gear per week.

    Then we got this weird situation where hard core people level up alts so they can keep running coil more times to gear out their mains faster and have people switch off who is playing the alts. Honestly I hope this doesn't happen because I don't want to level alts.
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    Last edited by Zumi; 10-20-2014 at 04:13 PM.

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    Dracyn Navarre
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    I approve of it. There's a lot of people, myself included, that would like to do Coil but can't find a static. Even in my own fc the static is already full. Which means I won't get to see the end of the story. And no I'm not youtubing it. I swear Youtube is the worst thing to happen to mmos since...well since everything.

    I've raided hardcore and been casual and as far as I'm concerned, the more people who get to experience the story, the better. Also it makes SE look good. It looks like they care about ALL of their players not just the FC's like Blue Gartr.
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    No more cast bars for Bard! Thank you, Yoshi-P! All hail our lord and savior!

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    think its terrible they caved in, the progressive players are now gonna get begged to hell now, its never been about progressive players helping struggling players, its all been about struggling players begging for help instead of helping themselves and solving it for themselves.
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    Shichi Mamura
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    If they do like 7 helpers = 10% chance for gear to drop it will mean sells will take a nose dive.

    Kill 2 birds with 1 stone
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    Akashi Mousai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    If they do like 7 helpers = 10% chance for gear to drop it will mean sells will take a nose dive.

    Kill 2 birds with 1 stone
    Qft, I'll be happy if that's what happens. And to point out the obvious, it'll most likely mean the same 8 players can't farm continuously. What I'm personally worried about is the idea that when pugging, you may have someone who has already cleared it for the week lower the drop rate %. I can definitely see drama like that happen.
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Quote Originally Posted by raelgun View Post
    think its terrible they caved in, the progressive players are now gonna get begged to hell now, its never been about progressive players helping struggling players, its all been about struggling players begging for help instead of helping themselves and solving it for themselves.
    Not going to lie... it's going to put even more $$ into the pockets of people who sell carries. Which is good or bad depending on your opinion on the subject.

    However I know a few people in my static who will beg their faces off to have people carried through coil for free. I honestly don't want to spend every week clearing coil(or whatever the current endgame is) two, three, four or more times because of being guilt tripped into carrying peoples friends. Not to mention, there may be ways for the person we are carrying to wipe us...*twitch*
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    M'kael Jin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    If they do like 7 helpers = 10% chance for gear to drop it will mean sells will take a nose dive.
    Maybe, maybe not. You may, instead, see an increase of sale runs but at a much lower cost to compensate for the drop rate or guaranteed loot sales where the group will run the buyer until they get a drop. It's hard to say at this point but I wouldn't underestimate anything.
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    Raiders who want to help others can get their new allagan sets faster, and those who don't have statics have an easier time getting through coil. I don't see the negative outside of the "OMG don't let anyone else get my shiny." Lockouts have seen a bad system from the start. FCs can now be FCs, instead of isolated 8 person groups.
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    Xairos Karalis
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    People, before we lampoon this idea, lets keep in mind that this is totally up to us to run our friends. No one is forcing you to do more runs.

    In addition, weren't people begging for more reason to enter coil throughout the week to avoid being bored?

    Also, For example, lets say you have 8 really solid players in a FC that run every week. And two people in your FC are asking for some training and or experience with the new coil. Your raid leader can choose to say yes or no. Just because we all can run more people, doesnt mean we HAVE to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xairos View Post
    People, before we lampoon this idea, lets keep in mind that this is totally up to us to run our friends. No one is forcing you to do more runs.

    In addition, weren't people begging for more reason to enter coil throughout the week to avoid being bored?

    Also, For example, lets say you have 8 really solid players in a FC that run every week. And two people in your FC are asking for some training and or experience with the new coil. Your raid leader can choose to say yes or no. Just because we all can run more people, doesnt mean we HAVE to.
    clearly you've never been on the receiving end of getting begged to then before, once you start to feel it, then lets see how your opinion sticks.
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