Instant Win Button [Can we have it?]

[Gardes]

And it's funny you say, "It's only T5 though.", because when the Binding Coil was first "nerfed", people had their panties all in a knot over that too. And now it's "just T5". And when the elite players are beating T13, it will be "just T9". Old news.

"It's only T5 though" is referring to you saying that you still have to deal with all the mechanics in nerfed coil1. I was FC less right after 2nd coil release and I did LOTS of coil1 pfs and dfs to collect allagan pieces and caduceus slime feeding mechanic started getting ignored before it even splits very early in the echo increments. T1 ADS was getting ignored too, plenty of bards/monks who simply didnt silence the high voltage or didnt have any silencer and the party just brute forced it. T2 went to the default enrage method and rot pass pf was really really rare even before 2.2.

T4 also became much easier: last night I was talking to someone who just tried T4 (lvl 50 only after 2.3 iirc) and won it in one shot, saying he didnt actually know what was happening. I described to him what T4 was like before 2.2 and compared it to what he saw and he didn't realize what the dreadnoughts, bugs, knights and rooks can actually do to the party and he was the healer. All because the df he was in just brute forced the fight and finished it way too fast. Sure, this is maybe how some people who 'couldn't' coil1 when it was relevant wanted out of their content but in this particular case, the person I talked to wished he could have experienced the fight the way I did.

[DeadRiser]

I don't know why people are against them nerfing the older content THAT HAS STORY DRIVEN CONTENT behind it. I want to see what happens in 2.4 since I haven't had the chance to tackle T9 yet.

Yes, I have completed T6-8 pre-nerf. Even if I didn't, does not mean I'm not a skilled player. Just means I don't have the time outside of school and work to be in a static or my FC already has a static that are working towards T9 completion. You are going to be able to progress the final coil from the get-go... but you have to remember. Just because they nerf some parts of the fight does not mean it is an "iwin" thing. They still have to learn how the mechanics work. I mean look at how many people are still stuck on T5.

Just because YOU have a static and have a dedicated schedule to practice coil two or three nights a week does not mean everyone else that plays the game do as well. Think outside your small schedule or your static and realize not everyone is like you.

[Prototype909]

I don't know why people are against them nerfing the older content THAT HAS STORY DRIVEN CONTENT behind it. I want to see what happens in 2.4 since I haven't had the chance to tackle T9 yet.

Because they've already said they're adding story mode coil for people who only care about the story, meaning nerfing content for those people is pointless

[DeadRiser]

Because they've already said they're adding story mode coil for people who only care about the story, meaning nerfing content for those people is pointless

They are not adding a story coil mode next patch or probably not the patch after (if I would assume correctly). That means they would have to revamp everything from T1 to the newest turns with takes a lot of work. I'm sure they are talking about AT or AFTER 3.0, and for future story driven raids like that. But as of now, they aren't. So nerfing them so people can enjoy the story before 3.0 is not really a big deal. People need to calm their .... >.>

[mero-ix]

It doesn't bother me that they nerf raiding 7 months later. I just don't want them to change current raids to be easier. Leave it be the hardest content in the game that not everyone will be able to do, then nerf it after a few months. I see no problem in that. But when I hear talk of them changing how future raiding will work to potentially become more "accessible", I worry. I like how things are now.

The way some people talk about raiders, they make it sound like if you raid and can clear T9 then that automatically makes you elitist. The only people I look down on are assholes. I help people out all the time. I have an alt that I use to wipe for hours helping out friends or random PF groups in T9 even though I can oneshot it on my main. Being proud of your achievements doesn't make you a bad person, but the entitled are gonna hate...

[TheRogueX]

Herp Derp Elitist with stupid name herp derps things that have been herp derped before and thinks (s)he's witty and/or clever

You're against a story mode Coil AND you're against making Coil easier so *all* players (who pay to play the game, just like everyone else) can experience a significant part of the story. As far as I'm concerned, your complaints are just more entitled BS coming from the "hardcore" or "raider" crowd. Also, your posts aren't witty, clever, funny, or even relevant.

The only reason to compromise the difficulty of the content is because people are too lazy to put the effort into the fights as they were designed

Oh, so THAT'S why I haven't completed T2-T9 yet! I'm lazy! Oh, and I just want the gear for free! It has nothing to do with the fact that my life is busy, with family and RL commitments. And the fact that I could really care less about the gear doesn't play into it, either! I don't really care about the STORY in it; I'm just lazy and entitled and just want my High Allagan gear for free! /sarcasm

Exactly, but some people still claim it's too hard and want it nerfed to the point where you could roll your face across the keyboard and win because they don't want to do any of that hard stuff like learning mechanics or making some friends.

You guys claim this, but I think you're just making it up. You find me even *one* person that actually feels this way and perhaps I'll give some weight to your argument. I doubt you will, though, because I'm pretty sure they don't exist anywhere but in your mind (and the like-minds of other elitist raiders).

[Vespar]

Insta-win not a good idea. Easing difficulty sure, but handing it to you on a silver platter not really cool and would invalidate the hard work others put in.

[Devaking55]

Well, considering that Yoshida said in one of his letters during beta that, he would have liked to have an instant max level button in mmorpgs he played. And that to me is an instant win button. Who knows what will be added.

If you think instant max level is instant win then you need to stop playing MMOs

[LaurelinKementari]

All of you complaining about the "nerf" to second coil are a bunch of hypocrites. How many of you switched off their echo in Turn 1 to 5 once it was implemented? How many of you made sure to not enter Turn 1 to 5 with anything above ilvl 90? Because you do know enterring First Coil with 2.2 or higher gear is nerfing it too, right? Likewise, how many of you will enter Second Coil and switch off their echo? How many of you will make sure to only enter with soldiery / High Allagan gear or less? Anything else is nerfing it, after all, by enterring with gear higher than Second Coil was meant for.

So please, do shut up. "Whaaa, they're nerfing it, but we're totes gonna make use of the echo ourself to make farming those last bits of High Allagan gear for Final Coil easier and make future Second Coil runs easier for ourselves too by wearing gear that is too high for it! OMG CASUALS IN SECOND COIL?! NERF! RAGE! HATE! E-PEEN! DAMN YOU SQUARE ENIX!!! YOSHIDAAAAAAAAAA!!!"

Yeah...

[abzoluut]

All of you complaining about the "nerf" to second coil are a bunch of hypocrites.

Not quite. Most of us already said that the higher ilvl is a nerf in itself. They basically create a double nerf. You can read all about it in threads when T5 got double nerfed.

It's not about casuals. It's about people who just run in and expect to clear stuff in pugs or don't understand teamwork will most likely give them the win. If SE caters to this approach, it's rather sad.