Keep past content out of Cash Shop

[Moqi]

nor would they take them out of events

But they just did...

And nothing in this game is free, even oustside the cash shop. How is expecting a return in the money I've already invested entitlment I will never understand. Nothing in this game is being handed out to us for free, it's all already being paid for.

[Sho86]

What? Stuff like the lightning returns stuff isn't coming back.

Cept it did.

nor would they take them out of events. Probably an alternative way on how to obtain them while not handing it out for free.

Again, they just did, All Saints Wake, event items were taken out, continued story or not, its still the same event. And no one said anything about free, they can pay the 500~ gil we all did before in the past.

Also something I have noticed is that there a ton of self entitled people who want to be in the special snowflake category rather than thinking that this could help support the devs and game progression for the future from newbies.

If they want to make side content that doesn't take away from lore or story then fine so be it. But when its already in-game and with lore involved, its an entirely different story.Wanting to be the special snowflake would be asking for them to take out any way to get it, event NPC be damned.

[Negotiator]

wait wait wait, (anti-cash shop) there's the argument that content will be withheld from the game to sell on the cash shop and the counter argument that the cash shop items do not affect the contents of the game. NOW (pro cash shop) it affects the development of the game.
Is it suddenly convenient now that when you throw money at the shop it's for a better game? you don't think they'll take that money and make more stuff for you to spend yet more money on the cash shop? or buy a sandwich with? I don't know where this is going, nor does anyone, but in all likelyhood in the ever present defense that a company will always want to make more money, funds will be dispersed all over the company. Couple higher ups gets bonuses, fund a game in development hell for 10 yrs (FFXV that must be our fault).You guys really want to help a multimillion dollar company with your chump change, just donate to them because apparently you believe that your sub isn't enough to keep their head above water

[LittleArrow]

Disagree.

Your petition does not benefit FFXIV as a whole in any way, shape, or form. Adding past event items to the cash shop *does* benefit XIV as a whole, bringing increased revenues to be used towards improving content and game longevity. How exactly does your proposal outdo this benefit? It seems to me that we would all benefit far more from having these items in the cash shop.

Heya Lux_Rayna, thanks for the response!

I often hear this comment a lot. Proceeds from the cash shop will help development. Where do you see them state this? They shouldn't have to? Yet they did state this during 1.xx. They said, our purchase of legacy supported the game from being closed. However, they do not state this now. I feel like this argument is based on assumptions.

I believe MMO's don't need cash shops. How do I know this? B/c I've played successful MMO's without them. The first 2-3yrs of wow included massive patch content and an expansion all without a cash shop. GW1 produced 2 of their expansions without a cash shop, that was added in later. FFXI, still to this day does not have an extensive cash shop.

Could these proceeds help the game? Yes, I definitely believe they could. Do we know for sure? I'm afraid not. This isn't for my personal gain. I have all the items. I'm promoting this petition for future players or characters that will be made years down the road. I totally respect how you feel though, and I really appreciate your post. At the end of the day none of us know how little or big these purchases affect FFXIV, because we're not working their accounts for them. Still, I hope these points bring up some good conversations. ^^

[EDIT] In any case I apologize for derailing a bit in this post. This thread isn't about the cash shop as a whole, and I certainly don't want to antagonize anyone. I simply enjoy a really good and constructive conversation. I'm certainly not saying I'm right in anything. I could be very wrong in what I'm thinking. However, I still feel the practice of offering something in game then taking that opportunity away to charge money for it is an unfair business practice that should be spoken out against.

[LittleArrow]

But that isn't the case; it was only free if you paid your $15 subscription at the time. People who weren't subscribers at that time had no way to get these items (linked to the previous post).

To be honest, I suppose I would be more concerned with the items that are cash-shop exclusive, as now there won't be any way to earn them in-game... but I suppose that's like the bonus items that come with soundtracks, limited editions, pre-orders and so on.

Heya Polyphonica,

I'm really sorry I didn't respond earlier. I definitely understand the point of it wasn't free. In the context of what I'm saying is it isn't an additional charge. It was free to those subscribers. My understanding of these NPCs is that they would be up when the event rolled around again. I never saw an announcement that these NPCs were a limited time thing. Everytime I checked the event post on the Lodestone the NPC was listed as apart of the event.

[Lux_Rayna]

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I think the analogy is a bit unfair. A more similar situation would be me going back to my favorite burger joint, only to find out that they now charge for toppings that they didn't charge before. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I certainly wouldn't call it an unfair business practice. They didn't take anything *away* from me, and SE isn't taking back any of the costumes you've earned. They are simply charging for them from now on, similar to how my burger joint decided to charge for toppings from now on. As long as they are upfront about the change and the cost there is nothing unfair about it. It just sucks.

I choose to be optimistic though. I think more revenues is better for us.

[maxthunder1]

Seeing as I just started the game 2 months ago and was unable to partake in those events and seeing as how this was just announce 2 months after I joined XIV, it would only seem fair to charge those who joined after the cash shop announcement. Now heres the thing wheather or not you do this I WILL NOT SPEND ANY MONEY IN YOUR CASH SHOP, no matter what you put on it. Now if SE thinks well we will just add something to gate content with on the cash shop my response I will leave XIV before I will spend money on this nusiance so in the end you get no money from me for cash shop or a sub fee.

[Sho86]

I think the analogy is a bit unfair. A more similar situation would be me going back to my favorite burger joint, only to find out that they now charge for toppings that they didn't charge before. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I certainly wouldn't call it an unfair business practice. They didn't take anything *away* from me, and SE isn't taking back any of the costumes you've earned. They are simply charging for them from now on, similar to how my burger joint decided to charge for toppings from now on. As long as they are upfront about the change and the cost there is nothing unfair about it. It just sucks.

I choose to be optimistic though. I think more revenues is better for us.

I can understand this reasoning, although I still do not agree with the practice. In either case I appreciate you taking the time to respond without the trash talk others have so kindly like to spew.

[Fyrebrand]

The only reason we are even talking about holiday items/costumes as "past content" is because they are seasonal. They were removed (supposedly temporarily) because they are only relevant for a specific time of year, and it could be reasonably assumed they would return the following year. There is nothing "past" about yearly festivals and holidays. Not a single person should have assumed that old holiday stuff would be permanently gone in following years. That is a horrible waste.

You want to charge for "past" content? Everything in the game so far is "past" content. Why not just delete all the FATES and quests that gave specific minions, and just say they were "temporary" or "past" content? What is the difference?

Make the rule that the cash shop is only for "past" content, and you will just see them create more and more "temporary" events and quests, just so they can become "past content." No matter what rules and regulations you think might put a comfortable restraint on the cash shop, they will find a way to twist it around to mean anything they want.

Welcoming a cash shop into this game is like letting a crazed, gun-toting maniac into your home. He can tell you he has no plans to shoot your kid. Then you let your guard down, and he's got a gun to the kid's head. You tell him he can't shoot your kid in the head, and he promises not to. Then when you back is turned, and he shoots your kid in the foot. This is how these companies operate.

[LittleArrow]

It seems as though people continue to disbelieve these NPCs existed. Here's proof,

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wi...39;_Wake_(2013)

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Creepy_Peddler

I'll also update my original post with these links