Cash shop confirmed

[Vhailor]

To me it makes the game better and more enjoyable if I can spend $5 to get a mount that I really want. Instead of spending 200+ hours trying to farm it and have nothing to show for it due to 1% drop rates and losing the rolls.

Not to play devil's advocate here, but you do realize that SE is keenly aware of this reality, and is in fact creating the very market that you appear to be a member of? After all, there's no logical reason for them to have set the drop rate at such an absurdly low level. Bad design should not be fixed by us paying additional money.

There are valid reasons to defend the presence of a cash shop, but this isn't one of them.

[Amaret]

I just wonder how ppl come to the conclusion that the "Vanity" Shop will be the cause of 0 Vanity Items from the game itself.
For me it's a reason that we even get more Vanity Items than it was planned.

It's like you guys see the Dooms Days behind the Mog Shop and ignore the 99% other Awesome things they Announced.<_<

[Dwill]

I just wonder how ppl come to the conclusion that the "Vanity" Shop will be the cause of 0 Vanity Items from the game itself.
For me it's a reason that we even get more Vanity Items than it was planned.

It's like you guys see the Dooms Days behind the Mog Shop and ignore the 99% other Awesome things they Announced.<_<

Yep, the game will die with a cash shop. It will hurt the game so much. Nevermind the hype for 2.4 (with new recipes announced), Gold Saucer, Wedding and Heavensward. Nope, cash shop = hurts game.

The diference is that one is PLAYING. The other is PAYING. And thats a really big diference. Games are made to be played not payed. If you dont have the time and want a shortcut, you should reconsider your hobbies cause gaming is obviusly not for you.

Swing and a miss. Last I checked, I was playing close to 25-30 weeks but never in long spree because of how my real life is scheduled therefore I can't commit to farm parties. Wanna try again champ ?

[tocsin]

The diference is that one is PLAYING. The other is PAYING. And thats a really big diference. Games are made to be played not payed. If you dont have the time and want a shortcut, you should reconsider your hobbies cause gaming is obviusly not for you.

Now I have to get into this fray. are you seriously saying that if someone has a real life job, and therefore can afford to pay for both a subscription and a little extra for a mount, they should not be gaming? FFXIV would not exist if that were the case.

Get a little perspective, please. Not all of us work part time. I get an average of 2 hours a day to play, while working two jobs to afford both rent and this sub. I cant get a primal mount, because I cant afford the time to farm it. You just said that I shouldn't play this game. if you were the president of SE, congrats, you just lost 3/4 of your subs.

Yoshi has previously said that the game was made to be accessible to casual players, ones with money to pay, to keep servers running. Cash shop is a realization of this.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

I just wonder how ppl come to the conclusion that the "Vanity" Shop will be the cause of 0 Vanity Items from the game itself.

That isnt the issue. The issue is cash shop exclusive content and content not being on the game and being behind a paywall. Slepneir mount is CONFIRMED cash shop exclusive, only those who pay, considering the price of things, 20 USD will have access to said mount, other players no.

[Amaret]

That isnt the issue. The issue is cash shop exclusive content and content not being on the game and being behind a paywall. Slepneir mount is CONFIRMED cash shop exclusive, only those who pay, considering the price of things, 20 USD will have access to said mount, other players no.

And where is the problem with it? We already had this kind of "trades"?

[SongJoohee]

I just wonder how ppl come to the conclusion that the "Vanity" Shop will be the cause of 0 Vanity Items from the game itself.
For me it's a reason that we even get more Vanity Items than it was planned.

It's like you guys see the Dooms Days behind the Mog Shop and ignore the 99% other Awesome things they Announced.<_<

Because Slepnir. I'm not saying there will be 0 vanity items in the game anymore but there will be vanity items in the Cash Shop that would of otherwise just been in the game. Slepnir has set the precedent for this as I explained here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...49#post2515049.

And that should be a hint to SE how worried players are. Without the Cash Shop announcement Fan Fest was amazing. If they ended the Live Letter 10 minutes earlier people on here would be singing praising, except maybe those complaining about Second Coil nerfs.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

I get an average of 2 hours a day to play, while working two jobs to afford both rent and this sub. I cant get a primal mount, because I cant afford the time to farm it. You just said that I shouldn't play this game. if you were the president of SE, congrats, you just lost 2/4 of your subs.

Sorry, when i said that: What i have been saying is the next:

And as i said, the ideal should be that said mounts were added to BOTH, game and cash shop, but with a time frame of diference, that creates a incentive for developers to keep developing FOR the game and have new items in the future to sell on the cash shop. Everyone wins: Players dont get content locked behind a paywall, developers get extra monies with time as they keep creating vanity content and unlucky players just have to wait for a certain period of time (a reasonable ammout to leave the feeling of reward and achivement intact) to get that mount they want so bad.

As i said, cash shop exclusive content will only hurt the game.

If players cant understand how much of a damge is for us all to have content locked behind a paywall... Sometimes i think they truly deserve the usual kind of treatment they recive from this industry.

[Barboron]

I just wonder how ppl come to the conclusion that the "Vanity" Shop will be the cause of 0 Vanity Items from the game itself.
For me it's a reason that we even get more Vanity Items than it was planned.

It's like you guys see the Dooms Days behind the Mog Shop and ignore the 99% other Awesome things they Announced.<_<

This obviously was planned though. Setting up a cash shop isn't like turning around a day before the FanFest and deciding then. Careful decisions have to go into how it is implemented, what goes in, pricing etc. So this would have been planned for some time.
The reason there is so much disagreement with it is because of where this can lead to. A lot of players are trying to compare this to Blizzard but fact is, this isn't blizzard and this is not World of Warcraft. We should not settle for another game. I have no doubt they already have planned more items for the cash shop for at least a few months time.

Also, I haven't come across anyone assuming it means there will no longer be vanity items in game. Apart from where this may lead the game in some time, disagreement is generally against the idea of paying for something we already paid for. We paid our subscriptions already, we paid to play, with full access to, this game. What did they spend their time doing with the money we paid them? They structured a cash shop to charge us again.

[Aylis]

And as i said, the ideal should be that said mounts were added to BOTH, game and cash shop

Thats a very good theory. Though with my experience in games that /have/ offered both a cash shop and an in game alternative to obtaining said items. It often doesn't work as well as it sounds. An item on the cash shop is developed for just that, to sell and make a little extra money. EQ1 had this problem where the in game alternatives were often locked behind far over tuned content challenges making said items near impossible or extremely difficult to obtain near to the point it wasn't worth it for most, people just used the cash shop. In the end that caused more flak against SOE then if they had just left the item on the cash shop and been done with it.

All for at the end of the day of nobody knowing or nobody really caring if did person A do the impossible to get the item in game vs person B who just payed the money on the cash shop.