Cash shop confirmed

[IveraIvalice]

They aren't ripping anyone off because they aren't forcing anyone to buy them. Square Enix is a For Profit company, what's hard to grasp that a company that was in the red wants to get some more funds by providing a service that plenty of people want.

Whenever a mount or minion was announced and released I've been able to get it in game wether I did or not, I was able to for 4 years in this games life. Even after all the changes to 2.0 they did not resort to a cash shop. Only after they have succeeded they are doing this. Not to keep the game alive but for their own greed since they already passed the difficult part.
Now there will be some mounts and minions that I will not have any way too gain unless I pay them more money.
They took away something I was able to have before and making me pay for it. That's ring ripped off.

And I don't remember anyone wanting a cash shop. If I ever saw a thread about a cash shop most were glad that one wasn't here

[Dwill]

No TRUE Scotsman would ever endorse such a thing.

I like you.

Whenever a mount or minion was announced and released I've been able to get it in game wether I did or not, I was able to for 4 years in this games life. Even after all the changes to 2.0 they did not resort to a cash shop. Only after they have succeeded they are doing this. Not to keep the game alive but for their own greed since they already passed the difficult part.
Now there will be some mounts and minions that I will not have any way too gain unless I pay them more money.
They took away something I was able to have before and making me pay for it. That's ring ripped off.

And I don't remember anyone wanting a cash shop. If I ever saw a thread about a cash shop most were glad that one wasn't here

Let me open with this: Square Enix is a public company. Their whole financial records are online for anyone who has the internet and 5 minutes of times. Go see how well their past business model was for them then come talk about greed. Which is kind of hypocritical of you seeing as you say you'll always take the free stuff and get in a fit when people are charging you for their time spent developing a product.

By the way, some people like myself or people I know of can never get the elemental horses from the primals because to an excessively low drop rates which our schedule does not allow to farm. So answer me this champ, what's the difference between someone who can sink in hours into the game to farm something but can't afford the cash shop's horses or someone who can afford the cash shop's horse but can't farm for hours on end ?

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

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By the way, some people like myself or people I know of can never get the elemental horses from the primals because to an excessively low drop rates which our schedule does not allow to farm. So answer me this champ, what's the difference between someone who can sink in hours into the game to farm something but can't afford the cash shop's horses or someone who can afford the cash shop's horse but can't farm for hours on end ?[/QUOTE]

The diference is that one is PLAYING. The other is PAYING. And thats a really big diference. Games are made to be played not payed. If you dont have the time and want a shortcut, you should reconsider your hobbies cause gaming is obviusly not for you.

[IveraIvalice]

Let me open with this: Square Enix is a public company. Their whole financial records are online for anyone who has the internet and 5 minutes of times. Go see how well their past business model was for them then come talk about greed. Which is kind of hypocritical of you seeing as you say you'll always take the free stuff and get in a fit when people are charging you for their time spent developing a product.

By the way, some people like myself or people I know of can never get the elemental horses from the primals because to an excessively low drop rates which our schedule does not allow to farm. So answer me this champ, what's the difference between someone who can sink in hours into the game to farm something but can't afford the cash shop's horses or someone who can afford the cash shop's horse but can't farm for hours on end ?

Because it's not free stuff. We already pay for it with a monthly subscription. It's not getting in a fit from someone charging me for their development time. It's getting in a fit for charging me twice. The answer to your question is that even if a person can't farm due to time or unlucky drop rates, it is there for you to obtain. In this way there is no option, there is only one way and it requires more of my hard earned money.

I'm a working man too like most and probly won't ever see those primal mounts but at least I know they are possible to get. I'm not willing to pay twice for something that I used to get for one payment every month. It's not a simple matter of "if you don't like it don't use it" because if I don't use it that's one thing I will never see. And so they simply took away something from me and everyone else that we used to have before
The difference is how much the consumer is paying to get the same thing
There a difference between paying more for convenience and not having something unless you pay more

[RaspberryRipple]

I like you.



Let me open with this: Square Enix is a public company. Their whole financial records are online for anyone who has the internet and 5 minutes of times. Go see how well their past business model was for them then come talk about greed.

The business model since 2.0 has been a big success without a cash shop. If you don't believe me then go read the financial records which I know you know are publicly available.

[Zumi]

Anyone who likes this game is against this kind of cash shop.

I very much like the game and I am for the cash shop. People can have different opinions then you.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

I very much like the game and I am for the cash shop. People can have different opinions then you.

You like the game, so you want them to implement something that will hurt players, and then the game? ok.

[Zumi]

You like the game, so you want them to implement something that will hurt players, and then the game? ok.

To me it makes the game better and more enjoyable if I can spend $5 to get a mount that I really want. Instead of spending 200+ hours trying to farm it and have nothing to show for it due to 1% drop rates and losing the rolls.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Yeah players are so hurt without the Sleipnir mount. I think without the Sleipnir mount I am unable to clear the Final Coil of Bahamut.

It hurts players when they move content from the game behind a paywall. Is not the importance of the game itself, is not its effect, is the fact of it being behind a paywall, be it a mount or a super i200 weapon, the fact of said content not being in the game and being behind a paywall is what hurts players. You know what other company does this kind of thing? Electronic Arts. And that alone should speak of the kind of market strategy SE is aiming to.

To me it makes the game better and more enjoyable if I can spend $5 to get a mount that I really want. Instead of spending 200+ hours trying to farm it and have nothing to show for it due to 1% drop rates and losing the rolls.

But hides that content from players who dont want to pay. And more important, it stops being content in game, cause is not part of the game paying to get something, you are not facing a boss, you are gathering or grinding, you are not PLAYING for the reward, you are paying. Which makes it unfair for players who, as strage as it sounds, want to play to get their rewards on the game.

And as i said, the ideal should be that said mounts were added to BOTH, game and cash shop, but with a time frame of diference, that creates a incentive for developers to keep developing FOR the game and have new items in the future to sell on the cash shop. Everyone wins: Players dont get content locked behind a paywall, developers get extra monies with time as they keep creating vanity content and unlucky players just have to wait for a certain period of time (a reasonable ammout to leave the feeling of reward and achivement intact) to get that mount they want so bad.

As i said, cash shop exclusive content will only hurt the game.

[Vhailor]

To me it makes the game better and more enjoyable if I can spend $5 to get a mount that I really want. Instead of spending 200+ hours trying to farm it and have nothing to show for it due to 1% drop rates and losing the rolls.

Not to play devil's advocate here, but you do realize that SE is keenly aware of this reality, and is in fact creating the very market that you appear to be a member of? After all, there's no logical reason for them to have set the drop rate at such an absurdly low level. Bad design should not be fixed by us paying additional money.

There are valid reasons to defend the presence of a cash shop, but this isn't one of them.