Cash shop confirmed

[Codek]

The only time they've advertised anything is on their launcher. They don't advertise within the game itself, with stuff like: "Go to mogstation.com to buy X." That's because for them it would a big lore no-no.

You would think, but Marketing would see a huge gain for wanting to implement the shop into the game client itself and avoid the hassle of having people go to a website. Once the the shop is embedded within the client, it becomes really easy to add in indicators that can easily direct you towards making purchases.

It's very much inside the scope of what a company will do for extra income.

[Magis]

The only time they've advertised anything is on their launcher. They don't advertise within the game itself, with stuff like: "Go to mogstation.com to buy X." That's because for them it would a big lore no-no.

FFXIV loves to shove interfaces infront of the player and break immersion... lore be damned. One glaring example is the Duty Finder. Why can't I walk into the dungeon? I literally can't enter it unless I both a) Use the system, b) meet it's requirements (player count, job setup, etc).

[TheMunimai]

I am. I have still around 3 months left that I have already paid for and then I'm gone. But I love this game and I'm sad to leave, these forums are feedback to the devs and this is mine. I've got nothing else to say.

I really don't understand what the issue is.

The cash shop is for vanity purposes only containing past event rewards, some new minions and a mount.

From a quick lodestone search, I can see you don't have the windup minions from the soundtracks. Did you go premium for the moogle suit? will you be purchasing the art book or delivery moogle for the minion at all?

You also don't have the coeurl mount either.

You have none of these things that have never impacted your gaming experience, and cost money to obtain by purchasing additional items or collectors edition BUT as soon as they create a cash shop for people to purchase mounts and minions from, you decide you are going to leave?

Why?! How does it differ?

[Sho86]

Why?! How does it differ?

Cash shop opens a huge can of worms that can be a constantly changing hellride based on how they see fit.
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My main problem is what cash shop openings always lead too. They start small, then grow, and grow, and grow. "Vanity" can be a very loosely used term and expand to a ton of content
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It's anyone's guess as to how large it'll grow and how much they milk it, but I don't believe any company - SE or otherwise - when they throw promises out. Housing could be an easy example of promises.

We really need to condense our threads here lol

[TheMunimai]

We really need to condense our threads here lol

My apologies

I can see your point about how a cash shop can grow and how promises could potentially be broken.

My previous post was more of a "your leaving because of the current idea of the cash shop" - if it evolves into something else then by all means leave, but why cross that bridge now? Why worry about "what ifs?"

[Mardel]

FFXIV loves to shove interfaces infront of the player and break immersion... lore be damned. One glaring example is the Duty Finder. Why can't I walk into the dungeon? I literally can't enter it unless I both a) Use the system, b) meet it's requirements (player count, job setup, etc).

That's completely different.
In fact they kind of have to do it that way, to streamline the process. Who wants to walk to the dungeon and wait there the entire time until you "randomly find another adventurer to enter with." Just imagine having to wait in 1hr for lowbie roulette stuck there waiting in the dungeon. Want to craft? Nope waiting to enter dungeon!

It is also for SEVER purposes; they have to separate zones for loading purposes and so that people from multiple servers can enter a dungeon located on a "DF server". They tried having things like this in FF14 1.0 and it was very... laggy.
If you are going to come up with a counter arguement... at least make a good one.

[Sho86]

My apologies

I can see your point about how a cash shop can grow and how promises could potentially be broken.

My previous post was more of a "your leaving because of the current idea of the cash shop" - if it evolves into something else then by all means leave, but why cross that bridge now? Why worry about "what ifs?"

It would be an attempt to stop the problem before it has the chance to spread (and usually don't bother to remove it, instead pile more onto it, to make it seem 'better'). Speaking with the wallet as they say. Once you hit the iceberg, that ship is gonna sink. In Titanic terms, we're increasing speed right now even with the iceberg warning in our hand.

[TheMunimai]

It would be an attempt to stop the problem before it has the chance to spread (and usually don't bother to remove it, instead pile more onto it, to make it seem 'better'). Speaking with the wallet as they say. Once you hit the iceberg, that ship is gonna sink. In Titanic terms, we're increasing speed right now even with the iceberg warning in our hand.

Again - I can understand peoples concerns regarding that.

But come on? So they expand the cash shop and include some vanity sets, some hair styles, maybe namingway cards.

But I highly doubt they would ever put races, classes/jobs, dungeons, trials, side stories etc into the cash shop.

I still have no clue why people who claim they love the game would ditch because of optional vanity. Maybe it's just the way I see it - Unless it directly effects the game (dungeons trials etc) I really don't see the issue.

[Erudain]

I think that's the main point....not that they release old events vanity but the fact that I've seen this "it's vanity only, it's okay" cash shop in far to many games...

And it never NEVER stays that way...after they got the taste of ppl who bought from the cash shop, they started putting more and more stuff in the cash shop only, new mounts/pets/costumes were added to the shop directly,.... and after a while they eventually added gameplay affecting items, like free ports or increased drop rates/exp rates... then the excuse became is "it's not P2W, it's just a commodity item".....it's a spiral downwards if you take this road.

So get ready to look back at this "it's vanity only" when they add shop stuff each month, while getting in-game vanity only every once in a while....or when ppl buys costume/mounts/pets in the cash shop and then sells them for millions gils in game...which is essencially just legalizing RMT....

[Moqi]

You have none of these things that have never impacted your gaming experience, and cost money to obtain by purchasing additional items or collectors edition BUT as soon as they create a cash shop for people to purchase mounts and minions from, you decide you are going to leave?

But you don't purchase the items, you buy the soundtrack, plushie, whatever, and the code is just a bonus. Those things (with the exeption of the CE) are outside the game, they have a value and a cost of their own. (For example I bought the FFX remaster and there was a code for the Yuna outfit for LR inside. It wasn't something made to be sold, the FFX remaster would've had the same price with or without the code, it was just an extra). And, probably even more importanty, they're a one time deal. The shop is a different thing because it has no purpose other than keeping content from players who already pay a sub and is being updated and developed with that. I know that my entire sub does not go into FFXIV, but until now the part that did go into keeping this game alive would all come back to me. I was paying 100 and getting 100 back. Now I'll always get 90 and the other 10 is available at the shop.

I hope it makes sense, I don't know how else to explain it. If this were a free to play game I would have no issues with it, but I am paying in advance for content to be developed and I am not having it delivered to me. It's like going to a shop, asking for something, putting down a payment, and when it finally arrives, I have to buy it again.

Btw like i said I have more than 3 months left, I'll probably be still here for 2.5, so there is plenty of time to judge because I'm still playing. It's not a "everything sucks now I'm leaving forever". I am taking my time but I see this going nowhere good.