Cash shop confirmed

[Akubikumo]

Serious question: Why didn't the selling of Fantasias kill the game for you? Or the selling of additional retainers which is far more game changing than a mount that does nothing special or minions that add nothing to the game?

Fantasias aren't content. Neither are world transfers. These are account changes, which make sense to charge for as they require extra work on SEs part. Mounts, minions, goofy hats, that's content. Content that's been designed, developed, and implemented then gated behind a cash shop and available for those who have more money to spend than others. Sorry but, ubiquitous or not, its a fucked up system.

(On a side note, the retainer thing is actually a good example of P2W-lite already happening. With each retainer you get a huge boost in inventory, an extra Venture and another hand in the Market Board. These are all pretty big advantages, especially if your a savvy crafter)

[Tupsi]

Fantasias aren't content.

Neither are mounts and minions, technically. My game progression doesn't come to a halt by not having a specific mount or minion - The only content that utilizes Mounts are beast tribe quests, which provides them to you free of charge for the quest(s) they're needed in. If Mounts and minions are considered content, fantasias are too as they're also an in-game item and not simply an account service.

which make sense to charge for as they require extra work on SEs part

Actually, transfers are automated unless something happens on the backend that requires a tech to do it manually - heck everything is actually automated unless something goes wrong. When you get down to it, them doing vet rewards is no different from cash shop, with the cash shop you can get it whenever you want rather than paying $20-$80+, which is far more expensive.

[Dwill]

They should sell level 50 characters and gil too! Since spending money means you earned it right? Who needs to do coil either! They should sell the raid gear, you went to work, you earned it!

The hyperbole, when somebody has no argument to support their point of view yet still try to rally people through exaggeration and ignorance.

The money from the cash shop will go more items for the cash shop. It will not go into further game development, look who's being delusional.

Do you even have any grasp of business ? Like, do you seriously think that the Square Enix will just cover the development cost of the item then spend the rest developing new items to sell ? The profit margin on vanity items is ridiculously high. Let's look at an example, the Sleipnir mount since we know that it will be there :

• Let's say that the price for it will be 10$ which is highly unlikely as in my opinion it will be higher (WoW mounts sells like crazy at 25$ a pop) but let's put numbers on your side.

• Let's say that about 1%(low estimate, more like 2-4% due to the hype if not more) of the 500,000+ players who login will buy the mount when it gets released. That makes 5000 players.

• Now that makes 50,000$ which is a terribly low estimate. 50,000$ (which will more than cover for the cost and bring a profit past this point) for a mount if we're talking low numbers. If you want to talk high numbers, 2% of the 500,000+ at 15$ the mount, we're talking 150,000$.

Now, do you really think they will throw the whole 50,000$-150,000$ from a single item coming from the shop into developing multiple other items ? If you answer yes, then you really don't understand this works. There is such a thing as a limit to what people can buy so it's better to let them buy a few items, enjoy them for awhile then hype some new ones later. A lot of these funds will go to other parts of the game and I'd warrant to say other projects for Square Enix.

Now whose the delusional one ?

[Dannythm]

I am OK with SE earning more money with a successful game. As long as game mechanics, minigames, sidequests, pvp and progression is all on the subscription fee, I see nothing wrong with them selling vanity items on their online shop.

Remember, we asked for this when all people were crying out loud to be able to purchase fantasia potions.

[Granyala]

Imho a cash shop does NOT belong in a subscription game.

But sadly Blizzard has delivered a precedent and proven that it works, so ofc other companies want to double dip too.

Not much we can do about it at this point.

[Sho86]

Its already changing the game in a bad way. People already asking how to get old event items for all saints wake, and sad they have to pay money for something others got for part of their subscription earlier (and use to be obtainable for chump change of gil). Cashing in on old items, awesome.

[Erepio]

Its already changing the game in a bad way. People already asking how to get old event items for all saints wake, and sad they have to pay money for something others got for part of their subscription earlier (and use to be obtainable for chump change of gil). Cashing in on old items, awesome.

expect for the fact thats its not the same event as last year

[Sho86]

expect for the fact thats its not the same event as last year

All Saints Wake last year, All Saints Wake this year, sounds the same to me. Just because the story has continued doesn't mean forcing others to pay for long old and already designed content in game is right; which again, was free to us aside for a few gil.

[Shneibel]

All Saints Wake last year, All Saints Wake this year, sounds the same to me. Just because the story has continued doesn't mean forcing others to pay for long old and already designed content in game is right; which again, was free to us aside for a few gil.

they dont "force", it is optional IF you want the old event item or not

[Sho86]

they dont "force", it is optional IF you want the old event item or not

Its a forced change. Use to be free, now its real money. Not a hard concept really. All previous events always gave old content out for gil, and now its changed, forcibly, into cash shop. You cant spin it any other way. It's bad enough they want to have people pay for future content, but old is just ridiculous.


Edit- "Optional" would be, they left old event items with NPCs for gil during said events, and in the Cash Shop year long.