Cash shop confirmed

[Fyrebrand]

SE has it made. They are going to charge us for items we could have had the chance to get as paying subscribers, yet not only are people accepting the practice, they're defending it. That's not a bad position to be in, since not every company's customers react that way to cash grabs.

Haven't you heard? "It's just business." "They gotta put food on the table, this is just a great way for fans to give them added support!" Apparently, Square Enix is both a for-profit company and a charity case.

Yet, someone who merely buys the game and pays their subscription is accused of expecting a "free ride" if they don't like the idea of a cash shop. If you are so against it, "then just ignore the cash shop and vote with your wallet." However, if we do vote with our wallets and unsubscribe from the game, that is "pathetic" and "blowing things out of proportion."

"FFXIV is not a WoW clone." "Stop suggesting features I don't like and go back to WoW." But as soon as we suggest that games with subscription fees should not be adding a cash shop: "WoW is a sub-based game, and it has a cash shop." As if that is some kind of excuse, and WoW is now the model all games should be following.

The mental gymnastics some of these people put themselves through to defend their favourite corporation is astounding.

It really comes down to vanity pets/mounts or a flat raise to subscription. I'm fine with the former.

Case in point. Where on earth did you get the idea that a subscription increase was even being considered, or was ever a possibility? Has any MMORPG ever randomly raised its subscription? And is that how you convince yourself that a cash shop is a good idea? Because you can imagine something worse?

[Dwill]

TL;DR: ARR was successful "as is" and it seems that it was able to rescue the company from the hole that it was in. There was no need to change the status quo with a chance of alienating a big chunk of your playerbase and scaring away other potential customers with something as controversial as a cash shop, instead of just keep doing what they have been doing since 1.x's disaster. Haste makes waste.

There was no need in your opinion but another possibility is that the game will stay the same quality while having a bigger revenue stream which will allow Square Enix to finally put cash in their investing activities. Their other games have been taking way too long to get released (KH3, FFXV for examples) if more money means more investment and faster release, then yes, I am all up for it.

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Twisting people words and taking the other side argument out of context while ignoring the earlier points brought is all I see in there.

Hardly.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...optional-items

Dev Post correcting prices of cash shop items: 18 likes
My post asking for the removal of cash shop: 171 likes

I know it's not much to go on but that alone tells all you need to know. Same happens throughout that thread.

Less than 1% of the playerbase posts on the forum. 171 likes out of ~5000 people who posts means squat in the grand scheme of things.

[Mysteran]

Twisting people words and taking the other side argument out of context while ignoring the earlier points brought is all I see in there.

You mean what a huge majority (not all) of the posters that are okay with or pro cash shop are doing with the well reasoned responses those of us against it are giving in this thread?

[Yshnal]

There was no need in your opinion but another possibility is that the game will stay the same quality while having a bigger revenue stream which will allow Square Enix to finally put cash in their investing activities. Their other games have been taking way too long to get released (KH3, FFXV for examples) if more money means more investment and faster release, then yes, I am all up for it.

Where did I read that...? Ah, yes, in the forums of the other games that introduced a cash shop and/or went F2P. Did they stay the same quality without coughing up more money? I don't think so.

But hey, we're special.

[DefendPopPunk]

Hmm, why not just add more achievements with mounts or add them to more treasure maps? Kinda lame to say "just spend money" instead of "play the game and you'll eventually find/earn these things."

[Alegis]

We already pay an monthly fee and FFXIV seems to be an success for SE already, why do they act like they cant get enough now?

Even vanity gear is part of the experience, we already pay for...

P.S: And dont think they will stop at vanity stuff...
If it pays out, they will find more an more stuff to sell through the cash-shop.
I can already imagine how yoshi-p announces, how they finally made it possible for us to reset the weekly loot-lookout for a "small" fee but that we shouldnt be concerned, because this time they really wont go further with the cash-shop stuff.

[Seif]

Hmm, why not just add more achievements with mounts or add them to more treasure maps? Kinda lame to say "just spend money" instead of "play the game and you'll eventually find/earn these things."

This. It's content produced with our money now taken away feom us and re-sold to us shamelessly.

[Starlord]

Well, if you don't like it, " Let your wallet do the talking". Words mean nothing without action. It personally doesn't bother me, but if you are hurt by this decision, just don't buy it, I am sure they will get the message.

[Shougun]

Well, if you don't like it, " Let your wallet do the talking". Words mean nothing without action. It personally doesn't bother me, but if you are hurt by this decision, just don't buy it, I am sure they will get the message.

I know some will make fun of this, but in a capitalistic-ish system - this is the best tool. If you sincerely hate it, do not spend your money on it. "But its just a cash shop don't be baby" - said a tool to the system.. lol

Good consumers do not buy what they do not like. I did not leave WoW right away because of the shop (and it wasn't my main reason), but the shop does have a negative weight on my outlook for this game. They're smart to release expansion news first, I'm still riding the hype train... XD

+1'd btw lol

i remember a thread couples months back that there was people complain about square charging extra for retainers, which had no impact on the game whats so ever and neither will this.

Retainers actually have an effect in game, income and space.

[charlemagne]

Feel somewhat let down by this. The subscription model with no cash shop was one of the major reasons I stuck with this game from 1.0 launch.