In 2.45 you can help your friends in coil

**Zumi** · 10-20-2014 05:48 AM

They said in live letter you will be able to help your friends in coil after you beat it, but you get less drop rates or something the more helpers you have.

Thoughts?

The question I have is will they lock out the people who have cleared once from looting more items? Say you take 4 people who already did their clear for the week, and they go in with 4 people who have not cleared. Now lets say the game penalizes you 50% less drops due to having 4 people who have already cleared, but if the people who already done it for the week can loot stuff this creates the situation of people getting way more gear per week.

Then we got this weird situation where hard core people level up alts so they can keep running coil more times to gear out their mains faster and have people switch off who is playing the alts. Honestly I hope this doesn't happen because I don't want to level alts.

**Linadae** · 10-20-2014 05:57 AM

I approve of it. There's a lot of people, myself included, that would like to do Coil but can't find a static. Even in my own fc the static is already full. Which means I won't get to see the end of the story. And no I'm not youtubing it. I swear Youtube is the worst thing to happen to mmos since...well since everything.

I've raided hardcore and been casual and as far as I'm concerned, the more people who get to experience the story, the better. Also it makes SE look good. It looks like they care about ALL of their players not just the FC's like Blue Gartr.

**raelgun** · 10-20-2014 05:57 AM

think its terrible they caved in, the progressive players are now gonna get begged to hell now, its never been about progressive players helping struggling players, its all been about struggling players begging for help instead of helping themselves and solving it for themselves.

**Elim** · 10-20-2014 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by raelgun

think its terrible they caved in, the progressive players are now gonna get begged to hell now, its never been about progressive players helping struggling players, its all been about struggling players begging for help instead of helping themselves and solving it for themselves.

Not going to lie... it's going to put even more $$ into the pockets of people who sell carries. Which is good or bad depending on your opinion on the subject.

However I know a few people in my static who will beg their faces off to have people carried through coil for free. I honestly don't want to spend every week clearing coil(or whatever the current endgame is) two, three, four or more times because of being guilt tripped into carrying peoples friends. Not to mention, there may be ways for the person we are carrying to wipe us...*twitch*

**Shioban** · 10-20-2014 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by raelgun

think its terrible they caved in, the progressive players are now gonna get begged to hell now.

I've seen more long-term friendships, groups, free companies, guilds (whatever) that have been completely decimated by the current lock-out system than I can shake a stick at.

One of the worst things about FFXIV is forcing you to choose which friends to play with, essentially annexing and choosing between who and who not to take.
"Oh we're locked out now because we've got our loot, you three will have to just join other groups!"

Encouraging Free Companies and building a community only to split it off into static niches is what killed it for a lot of people towards the end of 2.0 > 2.1, the hardest part of the game was simply finding a group of people you wanted/could play with.

The greed to progress/obtain consumes people more than helping and playing with their friends, which ironically made 1.23 extremely good fun.

**Exstal** · 10-20-2014 06:01 AM

If they do like 7 helpers = 10% chance for gear to drop it will mean sells will take a nose dive.

Kill 2 birds with 1 stone

**AkashiXI** · 10-20-2014 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Exstal

If they do like 7 helpers = 10% chance for gear to drop it will mean sells will take a nose dive.

Kill 2 birds with 1 stone

Qft, I'll be happy if that's what happens. And to point out the obvious, it'll most likely mean the same 8 players can't farm continuously. What I'm personally worried about is the idea that when pugging, you may have someone who has already cleared it for the week lower the drop rate %. I can definitely see drama like that happen.

**Lyrinn** · 10-20-2014 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Exstal

If they do like 7 helpers = 10% chance for gear to drop it will mean sells will take a nose dive.

Maybe, maybe not. You may, instead, see an increase of sale runs but at a much lower cost to compensate for the drop rate or guaranteed loot sales where the group will run the buyer until they get a drop. It's hard to say at this point but I wouldn't underestimate anything.

**KitanaiKoneko** · 10-20-2014 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Exstal

If they do like 7 helpers = 10% chance for gear to drop it will mean sells will take a nose dive.

Kill 2 birds with 1 stone

Maybe the price of sell runs will drop, but the people who buy runs will now buy more since any gear they want is less likely to drop.

**KarstenS** · 10-20-2014 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by KitanaiKoneko

Maybe the price of sell runs will drop, but the people who buy runs will now buy more since any gear they want is less likely to drop.

When there is the droprate at 0% with 7 ppl already downed it, then there will be not much more sell runs than now.

I'm glad to see this change is coming. Not because I'm not able to beat coil. Me and my group, we are ready for stepping into T10 from the first day. I'm glad, because I know how hard it is to manage or find a stable group. I was ready for SCoB before 2.2 and lost 4 month because of the "stable group issue".

And it hurts my heart when I see a group in FC chat looking for one or two persons, that are missing a day and I have to say: "sorry. Got ID."

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