Apparently trying to help is being rude

[Azure_dragon-]

Hi, I'm the guy you crossed off in blue. I have to say you were clearly being rude to the BLM throughout the entire dungeon. You could have given him the advice he needed to hear in a more causal way, but instead you wanted to be an arrogant jerk about it. I have been in your situation countless times and I'd never tell another player to "switch class." I can't even believe you ran to the forums expecting everyone else to back you up. Please learn to talk with other players or "switch to an solo rpg."

[Snugglebutt]

"then you should choose another job"

you WERE being a stick...

Even the "You should reread your skills" is a douche comment...

Nobody ever taught you how to approach with tact? You could have said 100 other things not so douchy..like... "If you start with fire 3 your dps will be higher". Hell there is literally 100 different ways you could of approached it and instead you chose the stick route. You shouldn't be surprised at the outcome.

I agree with this, reading what was said in the above image the OP comes across as condescending and rude both in how phrased him/herself and then extremely rude when said the other player should do another job instead. If spoke to me in that manner I would tell the OP to sod off as well.

[Nezacant]

[DefendPopPunk]

Defend, please reread what I initially stated. I have not back tracked to anything. Also, it was you that decided to introduce a real life element to an in-game issue brought by the OP. I was answering to the OP's commentary within the scope of the game. How people respond to criticism outside of a game I could care less as that has no bearing on this topic in my opinion. Do what you may, say what you will but no thanks to your 20mph analogy. But I will concede that people will respond as they will when it comes to criticism - however, it is that individual's responsibility to deliver the criticism in a diplomatic way and know to the personality they speak to if the said individual hopes to have that criticism well received.

Nah, I wasn't the one who introduced that analogy, I just took issue with people saying "games =/= real life" as some kind of way to shut someone's opinion out of a discussion. But you hit the nail on the head with your last line, because that's what I was getting at anyway. It isn't the situation that you give advice in that matters, but how you give it.

[Laerune]

Your intention is good, but the way you phrase your sentence is rude and condescending.

My advice is to treat others like you would have in real life and in real life, you dont order them to do something. You advice them in a kind and respectfull matter on why they should do something in a certain way.

[Moqi]

I usually don't go "Hello" in dungeons anymore because I'm lazy.

You might wanna start with this then...

Different discussion, but I don't feel it contributes. Some can say "Hello" to me and then be the nicest person I ever met. They can also say "Hello" and then be the worst person I ever met. I doesn't give me even the slightest insight about the other person. The only thing that tells me is that there is a chance they have not yet run their 50000th dungeon run, and have not gotten very tired of saying "Hello" every single time yet.

What it tells you is that they have manners, which is what this whole thread is about. You don't say hello to someone when you meet them, it's rude, there's no other way to say this. And if you're rude at the beginning, I wouldn't be surprised if you were in the middle of the run too.

Make a macro for it (or just drag the one SE already made in your hotbar), use it while the healer casts protect. Same thing at the end for final greetings while people are rolling on loot. It's a 0 effort move and will put everyone in a better mood.

[Coatl]

It depends on the situation. If this was in an expert dungeon then his performance really doesn't impact the run all that much, because he's a dps and fortunately they can't mess up a run for being bad.

If this was something like an extreme primal or coil, you would be in the right because in there it's get gud or get out.

[ExHeroKid]

Your intention is good, but the way you phrase your sentence is rude and condescending.

^this, is where you all should leave this topic off
and I can't seem to find the post to quote it again but someone else had said
"=/="

Just STAPH THE MADNESS.

I'm pretty sure you've received plenty of 'advice' on how you should have approached it so use it next time you try to help <3
Here's how I start when I'm seeing a tank struggle.
'Right click his name -> view search profile'
'Highest level is 27 GLD!'
"Hey do you want some help?"
*Waits for reply*
Y = Proceed to tell him rotation
N = Aight fu- it, continue through the dungeon and hope it ends well.

I find that unless the person specifically states that they're new to something or if they don't have a LV50 yet then they're pretty open to advice especially after the first wipe or death.

After that though you can't tell them nothing.

[Shiwayari]

Hi, I'm the guy you crossed off in blue. I have to say you were clearly being rude to the BLM throughout the entire dungeon. You could have given him the advice he needed to hear in a more causal way, but instead you wanted to be an arrogant jerk about it. I have been in your situation countless times and I'd never tell another player to "switch class." I can't even believe you ran to the forums expecting everyone else to back you up. Please learn talk with other players or "switch to an solo rpg."

I am sorry you had to experience this, I have not worded what I said in a nice way. Also, I did definitely not "want" to be an arrogant jerk about it. I wanted to give him a suggestion how to do better, and he clearly said he did not want to do that. I then tried to suggest he play a different job not because he sucks but because if he keeps doing that he will most likely encounter more situations like that.
It was not meant to be "You are to stupid to play that job, play a different one", It was a response to his answer which was "I don't want to play this job the correct/better (call it how you want) way", and my respone was meant to mean "If you don't want to play it the correct way, you should try a different job, maybe that will be more fun, at it would also help you avoid situations like this".
I do not think that was a wrong suggestion, I do not think it was rude either. The wording was rude, apparently. I was trying to offer him a way to enjoy the game more. Why is that wrong?

I'm not trying to be rude to either of you. You both insulted me with clearly offensive words. Maybe it was my "fault" for speaking in a bad tone. Now you make this post, trying to tell me i was "trying to be an arrogant jerk". No, I was not. Now can we put this behind us and stop insulting?

You might wanna start with this then...

Different discussion, but I don't feel it contributes. Some can say "Hello" to me and then be the nicest person I ever met. They can also say "Hello" and then be the worst person I ever met. I doesn't give me even the slightest insight about the other person. The only thing that tells me is that there is a chance they have not yet run their 50000th dungeon run, and have not gotten very tired of saying "Hello" every single time yet.
Or maybe a different reason.

Congratulations for the worst post in here, that is rude if anything, thank you for trying to make me feel bad. If you were trying to be funny, I'm sorry but you failed.

Others are actually contributing to the discussion.

[ExHeroKid]

... Different discussion, but I don't feel it contributes. Some can say "Hello" to me and then be the nicest person I ever met. They can also say "Hello" and then be the worst person I ever met. I doesn't give me even the slightest insight about the other person. The only thing that tells me is that there is a chance they have not yet run their 50000th dungeon run, and have not gotten very tired of saying "Hello" every single time yet.
Or maybe a different reason.

It's still an etiquette thing like when someone in your party or FC says:
"BRB WC" (obviously taking a deuce, comes back)
"Back"
Everyone else > "Welcome back!, WB, wb"

In game manners yo, it's just weird.

But seeing >Hello! at the start of something is better than seeing:
"Sup turds" (First thing I Saw when I did a DF Levi EX run with 4 others in my FC, needless to say we didn't win, guy was the MT)

Also I switch up the intro every run, doesn't always gotta be hello D: