Apparently trying to help is being rude

[Azure_dragon-]

Hi, I'm the guy you crossed off in blue. I have to say you were clearly being rude to the BLM throughout the entire dungeon. You could have given him the advice he needed to hear in a more causal way, but instead you wanted to be an arrogant jerk about it. I have been in your situation countless times and I'd never tell another player to "switch class." I can't even believe you ran to the forums expecting everyone else to back you up. Please learn to talk with other players or "switch to an solo rpg."

[Shiwayari]

Hi, I'm the guy you crossed off in blue. I have to say you were clearly being rude to the BLM throughout the entire dungeon. You could have given him the advice he needed to hear in a more causal way, but instead you wanted to be an arrogant jerk about it. I have been in your situation countless times and I'd never tell another player to "switch class." I can't even believe you ran to the forums expecting everyone else to back you up. Please learn talk with other players or "switch to an solo rpg."

I am sorry you had to experience this, I have not worded what I said in a nice way. Also, I did definitely not "want" to be an arrogant jerk about it. I wanted to give him a suggestion how to do better, and he clearly said he did not want to do that. I then tried to suggest he play a different job not because he sucks but because if he keeps doing that he will most likely encounter more situations like that.
It was not meant to be "You are to stupid to play that job, play a different one", It was a response to his answer which was "I don't want to play this job the correct/better (call it how you want) way", and my respone was meant to mean "If you don't want to play it the correct way, you should try a different job, maybe that will be more fun, at it would also help you avoid situations like this".
I do not think that was a wrong suggestion, I do not think it was rude either. The wording was rude, apparently. I was trying to offer him a way to enjoy the game more. Why is that wrong?

I'm not trying to be rude to either of you. You both insulted me with clearly offensive words. Maybe it was my "fault" for speaking in a bad tone. Now you make this post, trying to tell me i was "trying to be an arrogant jerk". No, I was not. Now can we put this behind us and stop insulting?

You might wanna start with this then...

Different discussion, but I don't feel it contributes. Some can say "Hello" to me and then be the nicest person I ever met. They can also say "Hello" and then be the worst person I ever met. I doesn't give me even the slightest insight about the other person. The only thing that tells me is that there is a chance they have not yet run their 50000th dungeon run, and have not gotten very tired of saying "Hello" every single time yet.
Or maybe a different reason.

Congratulations for the worst post in here, that is rude if anything, thank you for trying to make me feel bad. If you were trying to be funny, I'm sorry but you failed.

Others are actually contributing to the discussion.

[ExHeroKid]

... Different discussion, but I don't feel it contributes. Some can say "Hello" to me and then be the nicest person I ever met. They can also say "Hello" and then be the worst person I ever met. I doesn't give me even the slightest insight about the other person. The only thing that tells me is that there is a chance they have not yet run their 50000th dungeon run, and have not gotten very tired of saying "Hello" every single time yet.
Or maybe a different reason.

It's still an etiquette thing like when someone in your party or FC says:
"BRB WC" (obviously taking a deuce, comes back)
"Back"
Everyone else > "Welcome back!, WB, wb"

In game manners yo, it's just weird.

But seeing >Hello! at the start of something is better than seeing:
"Sup turds" (First thing I Saw when I did a DF Levi EX run with 4 others in my FC, needless to say we didn't win, guy was the MT)

Also I switch up the intro every run, doesn't always gotta be hello D:

[Shiwayari]

It's still an etiquette thing like when someone in your party or FC says:
"BRB WC" (obviously taking a deuce, comes back)
"Back"
Everyone else > "Welcome back!, WB, wb"

In game manners yo, it's just weird.

But seeing >Hello! at the start of something is better than seeing:
"Sup turds" (First thing I Saw when I did a DF Levi EX run with 4 others in my FC, needless to say we didn't win, guy was the MT)

Also I switch up the intro every run, doesn't always gotta be hello D:

Maybe not so different discussions. I don't really make it my thing to follow all the etiquettes I know, everyone does it, maybe its nice.. I like to be open minded. It saves me pressing 7 buttons, and saves 3 other persons reading another line of chat which contains 0 information. Maybe that's a bit funny... maybe that thinking is one reason why most think I was being rude in the OP. Well.. one cannot satisfy everyone, so be it.
Sometimes, if I had a good day, I might even say hello in a DF party.

What it tells you is that they have manners, which is what this whole thread is about. You don't say hello to someone when you meet them, it's rude, there's no other way to say this. And if you're rude at the beginning, I wouldn't be surprised if you were in the middle of the run too.

I feel a bit different, like I said someone saying "Hello" to the group personally doesn't tell me anything, might as well not have said it. It doesn't tell me they have manners, I've seen enough rude situations, may they have done greetings at the start of a content or not. If at all, if someone says "Hello" at the start, I might be slightly more inclined to think they will not be rude, but that's not a given. I don't think if had said "Hello" at the start of this run, the reaction would have been any different.
It takes a lot, a lot, a lot of talking to a person to understand them fully, greeting, or not greeting, there can be so many reasons as to why people do or dont do it. It is completely indifferent to me.
I try to have a nice friendly run and not harass anyone (guess i failed this time) and try contributing to the community, with or without words.

[Aegys]

OP, you had good intentions, but your tone was rude.

[14:57] YOU: You should reread your job skills <BLM>.

It may be true that he/she has no understanding of the skills, but a comment like that is insulting. An alternative could be: "Might I give a suggestion for your rotation?"

This is what prompted his response:

[14:57] BLM: pardon me?

Then you gave him a command. Not a suggestion. A command:

[14:67] YOU: Start with fire III

There is a difference between "Start with fire III" and "You should start with fire III", or "Starting with fire III gives blah blah..."

The first is a command (if you hadn't notice, people online don't like being told what to do), the second is a suggestion, and the third is an explanation. From there, it went downhill.

Had you initially approached it a different way, I'm sure that BLM would've reacted differently.

[SinisterIsBack]

Congratulations for the worst post in here, that is rude if anything, thank you for trying to make me feel bad. If you were trying to be funny, I'm sorry but you failed.

Others are actually contributing to the discussion.

Again, you shouldn't be surprised at the outcome.