No Job Stone

[Apricoth]

The reason why they are doing it in DF is because no very many people on their own server would put up with that "experiment." There's no accountability in DF unless the others in the party feel put upon and take the /vote kick option.

[Serephine]

My boyfriend is a War and the only time he drops Defiance is after a initial hate gain for a fight he knows he can dodge everything dodgable. Once someone starts approaching him on hate, pops it back on, few BB's and turns it back off. If he's offtanking, no Defiance + Str Accessories. There's no need to drop the job crystal for, what, two other abilites for a little burst in DPS? It's not worth it, especially because if the MT goes down, good luck climbing that hate list / holding hate after a Provoke with the other 4 full powered DPS wailing on them.

[RiceisNice]

From my personal experience, I don't see the problem of dropping a job crystal provided you
1>Are not needed as a tank (most heroic roulette don't have a tank swap mechanic)
2>Can hold hate
3>The healer is capable of keeping you up.

-First point isn't the case for expert, you need to have a tank, no questions asked. Which would bring you to points 2 and 3.
-Doubtful that a tank can hold hate with just damage along without running defiance/shield oath, especially if the dps is overgeared.
-God forbid that the healer is relevantly geared for the content. That healer over there isn't going to have much fun healing through you without that 20% damage reduction/20% healing.

[Dotsusama]

Plus if you're doing trial roulette, for example, you never really need two tanks. So bring the damage!

Marauder: "If YOU don't have your job crystal, and I don't have my job crystal--"
Gladiator: "Then who's tanking the boss???"
Healer: "We're all going to die."
Dragoon: "Not my fault this time!"

[RiceisNice]

Marauder: "If YOU don't have your job crystal, and I don't have my job crystal--"
Gladiator: "Then who's tanking the boss???"
Healer: "We're all going to die."
Dragoon: "Not my fault this time!"

Everyone's gonna blame the DRG for pulling aggro, just saying.

But yeah, that's about sum it up. The bottom line is, if the tank isn't maintaing aggro off the dps, he's not doing his job effectively (especially if he has gone out of his way to hinder his ability to do so, such as not using defiance/shield)

[Alukah]

Marauder: "If YOU don't have your job crystal, and I don't have my job crystal--"
Gladiator: "Then who's tanking the boss???"
Healer: "We're all going to die."
Dragoon: "Not my fault this time!"

Yeah I was wondering that, if everyone followed that "strategy" it would be a matter of time before two tanks without job crystal meet in a trial.

Also someome mentioned blood for blood in the first page, I hope you are not using that as a job-less main tank.

[Cynfael]

Yeah I was wondering that, if everyone followed that "strategy" it would be a matter of time before two tanks without job crystal meet in a trial.

Also someome mentioned blood for blood in the first page, I hope you are not using that as a job-less main tank.

Tanks going into DF in full DPS mode usually cause problems because A) they force the other tank to MT (or both are paper tanks) and B) both DF healers are likely to refrain from doing much DPS if the DPS tank has significant OT duties or needs to MT, pretty much canceling out the intended benefit of having a DPS tank.

Full DPS tanks in PFs where people know the plan make perfect sense; not so much in DF.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

Plus if you're doing trial roulette, for example, you never really need two tanks. So bring the damage! I'm always amazed at how few tanks I run into with strength accessories in the easy/highly overgeared content.

What do you suppose would happen if both tanks happened to have the same thought?

[Skotie]

The only question needed to be answered. Did they have hate problems?

If the answer is no.

Why even care.

As long as a tank does what he should for what he joined a group I am in. Keeping hate. I don't careif he has his soul gem on or not.

That's only one part of a tanks job, they also should actively work to reduce incoming unavoidable damage, as well as properly position enemies and stun where possible. That will always be better done using soul gem's and job abilities. If said tank prefers to play as a DPS perhaps they should have simply rolled a DPS.

[Lemuria]

My boyfriend is a War and the only time he drops Defiance is after a initial hate gain for a fight he knows he can dodge everything dodgable. Once someone starts approaching him on hate, pops it back on, few BB's and turns it back off. If he's offtanking, no Defiance + Str Accessories. There's no need to drop the job crystal for, what, two other abilites for a little burst in DPS? It's not worth it, especially because if the MT goes down, good luck climbing that hate list / holding hate after a Provoke with the other 4 full powered DPS wailing on them.

There's more to tanking than merely holding aggro. I'd hate to be the poor WHM trying to cure a Warrior who refuses to use the healing benefits of Defiance. Unless, of course, he only tanks one weak group at a time...