No Job Stone

[Garlyle]

Out of curiosity, are the ones you seeing actually doing the main tanking during these duties, or not?

If, for instance, me and a buddy are about to enter Titan HM as two tanks but we don't have a full group of 8, I'll go as MRD instead. He can main tank it just fine by himself, I really do not need anything that WAR gives me. Defiance is for when I'm actually being the tank, not when I'm basically just a DPS who tanks if everything goes horrifically wrong. Because I'm not using Defiance, none of the WAR abilities are useful at all. Being in MRD instead gives me access to several damage enhancing abilities I otherwise wouldn't have access to, and I can do what I need to do better - which is the deeps.

Now I can't say I'd do it just randomly for EX Primals or Turn 5+, but yeah.

[vp_cmc]

I can understand people going as marauders(with the right accessories a marauder can put up as much if not more dps than a bard thanks to the cross class skills)

Since when marauders started to do 350-400+ dps?

[Sove92]

Since when marauders started to do 350-400+ dps?

Not full-time, but MRD's burst is insane when you are 30 STR build with full STR jewellery.

Either way, any Nexus farm group worth its salt maximizes the DPS output (the tank without a job stone may already have the Nexus). I see these a lot in trial roulette and I facepalm every time I see those MT PLDs tanking Garuda or Ifrit in full VIT accesories and Shield Oath, when full STR and Sword Oath can do it very easily as well. Bad, bad tanks. I can often steal hate from these people in just Sword Oath, unless they suck and just spam hate combo.

[Aelinau]

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hate was all over the blm and me the smner.. we even tried to turn down our dps as to not stress the healer

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This was the roulette 4 man dungeons so they were
"MT"... if that's what you'd like to call it

[Kimikryo]

The only question needed to be answered. Did they have hate problems?

If the answer is no.

Why even care.

As long as a tank does what he should for what he joined a group I am in. Keeping hate. I don't careif he has his soul gem on or not.

[Ignnis]

So... lumping all of the mobs into a big pile for the two i109 BLMs I typically run with to absolutely nuke into oblivion isn't a greater contribution to DPS than my non-sword-oath damage? That's news to me.

I'd hate to make a healer try to heal me through that without Shield Oath on.

I'd hate to try even attempting to hold hate through it.

I had a GLD in Hullbreaker that used sword oath and the result was a tanking bard, half the trash pulls nibbling my leg and me being beaten to death by the first boss. Ive seen tanks that know what to do, have shield oath on for trash and sword oath sometimes on bosses (depends on the boss) but even with a tank that can play his/her class I still get sweaty palms and have vivid flash backs to my time as a gorilla punch bag.

[Anjirusensei]

I always go Marauder on my tank when I do trial roulettes, because there is no such need for two tanks. The cross skills make it more interesting to play and always amazing to see a butcher's block do 1.6k damage. Of course... if the other tank is new, or has trouble keep aggro, I would step up and TRY to MT as a marauder, lol. Only trial that can be troublesome as a class would be titan HM. Other then that... I don't seem to lose aggro, either.

One thing I got to mention... Marauder can actually be useful for leveling in low level roulette, but be very VERY mindful of this because if you get put into something like Brayflox or Stone Vigil... it will be painful. Otherwise, if you get something like Tam Tara, Hakku Manor, then you can really kick some serious ass with Overpower with Raging strikes and Invigorate, lol.

[Shioban]

FOREWARNING: This is not a set-stone "You must do this, or you're bad!", this is what I personally do.

(This applies for Warrior, for Paladin I find there's no point going Gladiator)

PVP (There's virtually no point to going WAR for Defiance/Wrath)
HM Trial (Two Tanks > Let the other tank)
Dungeons > Low (Infrequent)
Dungeons > High / Expert (There's no point, people would simply rip hate)

For the aforementioned above, it works fine from experience.
But for Expert Roulette/Trials/Raids, it's completely pointless unless you can withhold the damage/out-gear the content.

Marauder is handy (as people have said) for the extra damage from the cross-class skills, you can pump out a little bit more damage, which is nice in some content. But it's not a "YOU MUST DO THIS", it's a personal preference. You're not going to yell at someone putting tomato ketchup on their chips because "I DONT LIKE IT THOUGH!".

[Tupsi]

Only thing I noticed with primals lately are people (tanks) who stand in every avoidable attack now. Do you get more light or something by not ..you know, dodging things?

[Parodine]

Yeah, like others have mentioned it depends on the content, but it is more than likely ridiculous regardless.

As a healer, I'm likely going to hate your guts if I have cure you as a tank in upper level content without your job crystal. Your DPS buffs are likely going to bring overall -less- DPS than I would if I were able to switch into cleric's stance and get some stone II's in rather than cure spam your tiny HP pool.

There's a time and a place to experiment...but definitely not in 4-man.