(Extremely Gimped Iconic Summon) that is EGIS

[Kiroh]

Anyways can we just try having a kinder atmosphere when it comes to this? It's upsetting to see so much passive aggression (or plain aggression aggression.) I hope we're all here because we feel ff14 is a wonderful world and experience, because that's what matters most

I actually agree with the OP here, the problem is that I just don't think SE cares. They've made up their minds, and at this point we're just pounding sand trying to convince them otherwise. I've frankly given up on SMN entirely and just dumped all my stats into MND for Scholar instead.

[Razard]

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And yet it would do them well to do the same courtesy and check if the opinion in question hasn't been discussed ad-nauseam. Or, if they want to express it so bad, go to one of the many threads and post in them. They are not hard to find, the DPS forum has 2 on the front page alone. Usually with outright confrontational titles like this thread, which do the op no favours.

Forum etiquette works both ways dude.

[Zagam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0

[Tsuwu]

Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrage!

How dare we not have 80 foot tall demi-gods able to zombie AFK in residential districts while we garden?!
Unsubbing so hard SE will need to cancel their entire product lineup for the next 5 months.

I'm going to start a petition on Change.org.

Also, how dare SE not give me the option to start an in-game KISS tribute band!
I'm going to unsub, resub, then unsub again just to teach them a lesson.

[Zaero]

Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrage!

Also, how dare SE not give me the option to start an in-game KISS tribute band!
I'm going to unsub, resub, then unsub again just to teach them a lesson.

Yeah! We NEED TO ROCK AND ROLL ALL NITE, AND PARTY EVERY DAY! Kiss or riot!

(for real though, you just made my morning)

[Venos]

I agee, someone said it awhile ago. When lore starts to get in the way of gameplay.. it needs to take backseat, this isn't a book.

[Razard]

I found this on another forum, sums it up pretty well.

"FFXI's Avatar system was also crummy as hell when it came to representing the power you possessed.

What would you rather have, something that looks akin to the actual Summon but punches enemies for 2 damage, or something that has the looks to match it's usefulness?

I realize this is final FANTASY, but making the Summoner's summons full on Primal size seems a bit unrealistic. You harness a mere portion of the Primal's powers, and as such, it looks just how it should.

In FFXI your Avatars tickled the enemies when they weren't using their BP abilities. They were nearly full size, but the amount of actual control over their power wasn't nearly proportionate to the appearance they had."

Oh and by the way:

[Duelle]

I found this on another forum, sums it up pretty well.

"FFXI's Avatar system was also crummy as hell when it came to representing the power you possessed.

What would you rather have, something that looks akin to the actual Summon but punches enemies for 2 damage, or something that has the looks to match it's usefulness?

I realize this is final FANTASY, but making the Summoner's summons full on Primal size seems a bit unrealistic. You harness a mere portion of the Primal's powers, and as such, it looks just how it should.

In FFXI your Avatars tickled the enemies when they weren't using their BP abilities. They were nearly full size, but the amount of actual control over their power wasn't nearly proportionate to the appearance they had."

This post needs to be preserved for posterity. People still won't learn and make SMN whine threads, but at least we'll have something to point towards.

Wasn't this dead and buried in the beta forums?

1. You're summoning the essence of the primal to help you fight, not a giant ass god of destruction to fight for you.
2. I don't know about you, but there's way too much shit on the floor to dodge in most fights to have a primal covering most of it up (plus their huge hitboxes soaking every hit aimed within 50 miles of them).
3. We don't know jack about the full primal summoning, for all we know the FC needs to pay 1,000,000 crystals then spam /pray to unlock an alliance LB4 bar, also last I checked the beastmen tribes didn't have arcanists yet they summon the primals.
4. SCH and SMN too alike? It's almost like you've not played either job for any length of time.

This too.

[Lithera]

I agee, someone said it awhile ago. When lore starts to get in the way of gameplay.. it needs to take backseat, this isn't a book.

This isn't a gameplay issue though. Does the Egis' appearance in any way inpact their abilities? Would the Egis be stronger if they had full sized models? It's aesthetics not gameplay. I'd prefer they not start ditching lore for aesthetics.

Summoning the actual Primal requires an immense amount of crystals or apparently some hefty blood sacrifice (see EX Primal quest) and then you would likely become the Primal's thrall instead of controlling it. The FC Summoning is supposedly going to get a Lore basis, probably the result of whatever is going to end off 2.X story. SMNs will still have a purpose because I doubt the Primals will be able to be sustained for long periods.

[Venos]

Aesthetics should take a backseat to lore. That's what he said. That's what you misread.

I didn't misread a thing, my point still stands. Keep it cute.