Challenging 4-Man Content Please

[Kikosho]

I for one would like to see 4-man dungeons on the difficulty level of Coil that are part of endgame progression with it's difficulty and loot. Put in accessories or upgrade items in those dungeons but with the kicker that they aren't completely spammable like current 4-mans. Either a short dungeon lockout (6 hrs) or entry items that need to be earned to enter them.

And I honestly never found old AK or Pharos all that difficult. They were really straightforward.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Do we really need more lockouts?

[Exstal]

Do we really need more lockouts?

Short answer; yes.

Long answer; Most definitely. How else would the forums stay alive if not for lockouts? When they nerf Atma and give summoners new 4400p egis, it'll be a barren wasteland in here.

[Kikosho]

Lockouts are fine when you have a variety of things to do (and when they aren't too long). They suck in XIV cause we only have one coil-tier event.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I've been saying forever that Ex Dungeons should drop the same Dungeon Gear you'd receive in HM but Dyeable & +10-15ilvl's.

Throw in an Allied Seal bonus upon completion & make it a separate roulette & you're golden.

You have certainly said this before, and I'll respond accordingly:

[Lord_Zlatan]

It could even just be 5-10 ills higher... or add an effect to the gear... something that rewards but doesn't break the current gear progression

[Lord_Zlatan]

I for one would like to see 4-man dungeons on the difficulty level of Coil that are part of endgame progression with it's difficulty and loot. Put in accessories or upgrade items in those dungeons but with the kicker that they aren't completely spammable like current 4-mans. Either a short dungeon lockout (6 hrs) or entry items that need to be earned to enter them.

And I honestly never found old AK or Pharos all that difficult. They were really straightforward.

Like the idea. BTW, I think most ppl say ak and psychological were hard bc in comparison to every other 4 man, they were

[Havenchild]

Everytime we get a hard 4-man, people barely do it.

This would just be reliving history.

[Lanceton]

perhaps create a randomized instanced dungeon where mob spawn location, number and difficulties are partially random, plus a thing or two that's completely random?
just two dungeons like this with a title achievement reward is enough to hook up most casual players I think

[Parz3val]

Everytime we get a hard 4-man, people barely do it.

This would just be reliving history.

Only because SE didn't appropriate the rewards.

Pre-nerf Pharos dropping the same or equal gear was inappropriate.