Paladins are a rodeo clown. Warriors are a matador.

[therpgfanatic]

I am on the last two books to finish my Animus relic for Paladin. The shield was upgraded first, so it's the last two books for the Curtana to be upgraded. And I am totally burned out.

I freakin hate this quest so very much. Sure, I am so extremely tired of camping FATEs that only spawn once every hour or two, killing monsters that die in 5 hits and doing these stupid levequests.

But most of all I am sick, sick, SICK of tanking low level dungeons on a Paladin.


Ordinarily I never do the low level dungeon DF because of how much I hate running them on a Paladin.

Paladin is the most boring class pre-level 50, I still can't believe we don't have an AoE attack until level 50. And even then it is lolScorn. Oh boy, auto-attack damage to a group once every 25 seconds. I'm sure those Warriors with Overpower and 2.5 second cooldown Steel Cyclone are jealous, amirite?

I am actually looking forward to mindlessly farming FATEs for Alexandrite, because at least I won't have to run these low level dungeons anymore to complete my books, where I have to spam Flash and the Riot Blade combo for MP while hoping the DPS actually use their AoE attacks.

The funny thing: I wouldn't mind doing these low-level dungeons if Overpower was a cross-class skill for Paladins.

Also, it is rather funny seeing people think Paladins have a higher DPS potential than Warriors do.

=Against trash mobs=
Warriors can spam AoE damage. Paladins cannot.

Winner: Warrior

=Against bosses=
Warriors can buff their damage higher than Paladins, and keep the buff up longer. Warriors can also reduce the enemy's resistance to the slashing damage the Warrior inflicts, another thing that Paladins cannot do.

Winner: Warrior

This isn't rocket science guys.

You can try as much statistical voodoo to justify a world where Paladins can out-DPS Warriors but that isn't how the game is designed.

Believe me, I hate it as much as anyone. I hate tanking daily DF runs because half the time I end up with DPS who suck and fights drag out longer than they ought to, and without the ability to do AoE damage (lolScorn) I'm rather limited in my ability to improve the situation. As mentioned before, this is especially painful in pre-50 dungeons.

I have no idea why someone at SE thought Paladins should spam Flash to hold hate on packs of trash mobs for someone else to kill while spamming buffs to last long enough for the DPS to do their job, while Warriors can just spam two different AoE attacks to annihilate the trash mobs directly.

Paladins are like a rodeo clown -- we distract the bull for other folks to deal with --, whereas Warriors are a matador -- who kills the bull directly.

You wonder why DF queries are so long for anyone except tanks; the problem is simple: Paladins have a frustrating playstyle because they have no real AoE damage, which is a big deal because the majority of enemies fought in a DF are packs of trash mobs.

When there is only two classes in the game for tanking, you probably don't want one of them to be kind of frustrating to play.

[Amenian]

Also, it is rather funny seeing people think Paladins have a higher DPS potential than Warriors do.

What you smokin' boy? Nobody says that.

[Double]

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I never really came across anyone who thought PLD could match WAR in terms of damage.

Actually, it should be common knowledge that Warrior beats Paladin any day in damage output.

[silentwindfr]

I never really came across anyone who thought PLD could match WAR in terms of damage.

Actually, it should be common knowledge that Warrior beats Paladin any day in damage output.

some paladin still spread the false information that paladin with sword oath can do more damage than warrior *sighs* i still wait to see a paladin land some critical at 1100+

[Bucy]

PLD needs some love from the devs. CoS needs some more DeePS and Shield Swipe should bonus RoH, also if they changed the damage dealing reduction of Shield Oath from 20% to 12% the PLD would still do less damage than a WAR, but it wouldn't be so embarrassing.

[therpgfanatic]

I never really came across anyone who thought PLD could match WAR in terms of damage.

Actually, it should be common knowledge that Warrior beats Paladin any day in damage output.

Go hang out in the Tank forums sometime.

[JaxY]

It really depends on the situation. According to a study done on BG, a PLD in Sword Oath will out DPS a Warrior outside Defiance. But a Paladin in Shield Oath loses to a Warrior in Defiance. A Marauder, on the other hand, will out-DPS a PLD in Sword Oath. Not sure where Gladiator falls on that. (Similar gear, of course)

But anyway, that's why you see a lot of Paladins in Second Coil taking the off-tank position. After doing similar dps checks with the WAR in my static, the results seems to follow the research.

But to the original poster, I agree that Paladin is incredibly boring in low level dungeons.

[SeraviEdalborez]

some paladin still spread the false information that paladin with sword oath can do more damage than warrior *sighs* i still wait to see a paladin land some critical at 1100+

Big numbers syndrome is curable if you seek medical attention.

Sword Oath adds up. As OT PLD is not "miles behind" WAR. WAR trumps PLD easily in terms of DPS when comparing Defiance WAR to Shield Oath PLD. But battle of the off-tanks is not so easily decided.

[Asierid]

Having dealt with PLD back when WAR was terrible; one's aggressive, one is defensive. "This isn't rocket science guys."

Better cool downs. Easier to play and manage. Hallowed Ground compared to Lolgang. PLD beat WAR DPS on OT every time because of the pacify on Zerk and RNG crits suck compared to SwO (Which is consistant FREE damage) and healers won't cleanse it. On main tanking? Sure. I'd agree PLD needs some work, especially low level (I don't see why they don't get Shield Oath early on). I'd go WAR any day.

Plus, low dungeons always suck. They take too long to run with all 3 of your abilities. >_>

[Aleczan]

Just to throw in my 2 gil, as a WHM, I prefer to join a party with PLD tank. I don't know why, but I seem to have harder time when I heal WAR. They seem more squishy. They sometimes instantly die during mad massive pull and I feel like I'm a shitty healer. Or maybe I really do suck as a healer. :'(

Whenever I join a Roulette, I constantly pray to get a PLD tank. If I emerge in Stone Vigil with a WAR tank, I want to /facedesk (or /facekeyboard).

Yes PLD don't have spike damage to splash to the whole group of enemies, but they seem to have notably higher survivability. And when I duo with my PLD friend, I feel invincible. We could duo pretty much anything that's outside of Duty Finder. I believe many healers out there also have much love for the Paladins!

Sorry to hear you hate your job. It's sad.