Paladins are a rodeo clown. Warriors are a matador.

[melflomil]

Adloquim and Stone skin are soooooo much better on a WAR. That alone in itself is superior. If you you know when big damage us coming inner beast anytime. Or use your oh shit buttons. ( vengeance and thrill of battle). I can see how a sword of oath paladin can out dps a normal a warrior not in defiance in a long fight. In a short fight Warrior exceeds exponentially in terms of damage dealt or extra burst.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

Adloquim and Stone skin are soooooo much better on a WAR. That alone in itself is superior. If you you know when big damage us coming inner beast anytime. Or use your oh shit buttons. ( vengeance and thrill of battle). I can see how a sword of oath paladin can out dps a normal a warrior not in defiance in a long fight. In a short fight Warrior exceeds exponentially in terms of damage dealt or extra burst.

No, Adlo and Stoneskin are not better on a Warrior. They have more HP and +heals recieved but they also take 20% more damage. The defensive stances of the 2 tank jobs accomplish the SAME THING.

Seriously, I thought this had all been mathed out extensively months and months ago. Come on people.

[Sadana]

Just to throw in my 2 gil, as a WHM, I prefer to join a party with PLD tank. I don't know why, but I seem to have harder time when I heal WAR. They seem more squishy. They sometimes instantly die during mad massive pull and I feel like I'm a shitty healer. Or maybe I really do suck as a healer. :'(

Whenever I join a Roulette, I constantly pray to get a PLD tank. If I emerge in Stone Vigil with a WAR tank, I want to /facedesk (or /facekeyboard).

Yeah, I've said this often on other threads: As healer, I prefer a PLD tank. As dps, I prefer a WAR tank. I sub SCH, not WHM. I can't do the "ohshit" heals like a WHM can, so I'm surprised that someone mentioned they prefer WAR over PLD while playing a SCH. :/ I guess if I knew the WAR abilities better, it would be different. I've only leveled PLD myself.

OMG Yes, this is sad but true. I've been helping friends through the 3 first dungeons (Sastasha-Tamtara-Copperbell) and she is a brand new player, on GLA. The other DPS persons, if they are synced from 50, always pulled hate. It was almost enough to make my GLA friend cry. She tried so hard, and mobs still run everywhere, even when I was helping her by giving advice through voice chat...

I'm mainly scared of Duty Finder because people don't talk and just do it their own way without trying to be a team player. I have equally bad times in DF when it is DPS who does not cooperate. Started to develop a minor case of DF phobia, LOL.

THIS and that.

Tanking, especially as GLA, in those early dungeons with level synced folks... you're gonna have a bad time. >< If there was one thing I wish SE would change, it's the aggro generated by the low level GLA abilities.

For the DF, I'll rarely enter as healer much less as tank (and this is on a JP server ><; ) cause of bad attitudes.


OP, like many others have said... I think it's cool how the two classes tank so differently. Wouldn't have it any other way. ^^

[SeraviEdalborez]

This is a dead horse. It's already been mathed out and proven in the field. We've known this for a long time now.

MT WAR + OT PLD (Sword) > MT PLD + OT WAR (non-Defiance) - also assumes WAR is putting up Storm's Eye for both
MT WAR > MT PLD (damage)
2x WAR = lol
2x PLD = lol

Just want to point out that 2x WAR has the potential to be the best if you tank swap for every Unchained. This is pretty minor though, and a major overall strat overhaul for the gains involved.

[Exstal]

Just want to point out that 2x WAR has the potential to be the best if you tank swap for every Unchained. This is pretty minor though, and a major overall strat overhaul for the gains involved.

It's just a huge pain in the ass to do (@_@)

[Symbiant]

Well pld has amazing defensive CDs. Lets leave to war one of the few advantages it has, better aoe threat. The two tanks should have tradeoffs for their respective stronger points.

War has better threat period. If you stuck a pld and a war (exact race / similar / same stats) toe to toe doing just the regular hate cycle (not using cds) the war would take hate from the pld every time. It will happen in aoe and single target. Try it if you don't believe me.

That needs to be adjusted imo. Do not nerf the war of course because we do not need any nerfs.

[SirTaint]

Single tanking dungeon, coil, where ever, WAR crushes PLD in DPS.

The 350 JP parse is the most famous PLD OT parse and has caused a ton of debate but has never been replicated. ACT can be funky at times as well so you need a large data sample, not a single fight.

[RyuDragnier]

Shield oath at 30. Remove sword oath.

Nahh, keep Sword Oath for level 40 but make it so entering that mode removes the enmity gain bonuses while increasing the damage of all attacks. An effective DPS mode.

As for the problems with AoE enmity generation, all they really need to do is to buff Flash, that's all that would be needed really. Also, everybody does know the trick to AoE tanking 3 enemies well, right? Fast Blade one enemy, Savage Blade another, Rage of Halone the last. Cycle through the enemies so all of their aggro is being kept up by Savage and Halone in the combo. It's not that hard, provided the DPS aren't splitting their efforts and going gungho (at which point it will turn incredibly difficult).

[Sapphic]

Single tanking dungeon, coil, where ever, WAR crushes PLD in DPS.

The 350 JP parse is the most famous PLD OT parse and has caused a ton of debate but has never been replicated. ACT can be funky at times as well so you need a large data sample, not a single fight.

They were probably using HA sword and HA DPS accessories to hit that, I'm not full 110, missing gloves, but 108 with HA sword, and 110 dps accs (I main MNK), without pots and food I can hit 320 DPS on PLD. Only have turn 5 axe on WAR so can't compare yet.

Addin food, x-pots, stoms path and I can see 350 being feasible, plus a BRD using Paeons of course ^_^

[Sapphic]

No, Adlo and Stoneskin are not better on a Warrior. They have more HP and +heals recieved but they also take 20% more damage. The defensive stances of the 2 tank jobs accomplish the SAME THING.

Seriously, I thought this had all been mathed out extensively months and months ago. Come on people.

You might want to check that.

Defiance reduces damage by 25%, reduces damage output by 25% and increases HP recovery via healing magic by 20%
Shield Oath reduces damage by 20% reduces damage output by 20%