Paladins are a rodeo clown. Warriors are a matador.

[16bitBounty]

I have to ask; If you hate PLD why are you bothering to complete the relic quest for it? Tanks are not DPS classes. You should be holding Enmity (which PLD does just fine in all content) and letting DPS kill your mobs. Do I think Warrior is more fun? Yes! But PLD does what it's supposed to do and does it well.

[Warlyx]

Shield Oath at 15

Overpower cross class skill for GLA

add a 3 skill to riot combo (a shield skill even? )

more flashy skills , i dont get blinded by the "Paladin" as i should be. not even by his armor.....(lol plastic white)

[16bitBounty]

Shield oath at 30. Remove sword oath.

[Brannigan]

Remove Shield Oath and make it so equipping the paladin soul crystal makes you take and deal 20% less damage and generate double enmity. Sword Oath removes those effects and grants the current Sword Oath buff.

The biggest problem with paladin though imo is that like half of its cool stuff is non-functional or of dubious usefulness in most boss fights. We have a lot of stuff that's overly situational. Don't get me wrong, I love Cover and Tempered Will when they're useful, but there's a lot of times when they're pretty much just taking up space on the bar. Warrior doesn't have that problem with as many abilities.

That, and we need more ways to use MP so Riot Blade is better. Also we need another combo. Also, shield swipe is kinda crappy for a level 30 quest skill and block-reaction ability. Also we don't get to use Shield Bash in any high end content, and we're already a class that lacks usable WSes.

ALSO Sword/Shield Oath being on-GCD spells is some serious BS. Monk's 3 stances are abilities. Pretty sure paladin's stuff is only magic because they realized GLA has Riot Blade but only 1 thing that costs MP.

[RyuDragnier]

Shield oath at 30. Remove sword oath.

Nahh, keep Sword Oath for level 40 but make it so entering that mode removes the enmity gain bonuses while increasing the damage of all attacks. An effective DPS mode.

As for the problems with AoE enmity generation, all they really need to do is to buff Flash, that's all that would be needed really. Also, everybody does know the trick to AoE tanking 3 enemies well, right? Fast Blade one enemy, Savage Blade another, Rage of Halone the last. Cycle through the enemies so all of their aggro is being kept up by Savage and Halone in the combo. It's not that hard, provided the DPS aren't splitting their efforts and going gungho (at which point it will turn incredibly difficult).

[Leigaon]

When there is only two classes in the game for tanking, you probably don't want one of them to be kind of frustrating to play.

Sounds like you wasted a ton of time on a job you don't like..better pick up that axe. I'm kidding. I understand your frustration, my friend is a PLD main and I am quickly getting back into tanking as MDR with a bit of PLD on the side.

I agree you do need something that is aoe and damaging that isn't at level 50 whether it's a new move or if it's an added bonus to rage that does an aoe shockwave..anything. I play low level on PLD but I enjoy it, but I do a lot of things that aren't necessary to do in the first place to keep me occupied. It's very hard to go from doing WAR to PLD since you're always doing so much, or you should be.

I got a feeling we'll be seeing some serious job adjustments for 3.0, here's hoping you PLD get some more good stuff...besides just looking awesome!

[Dyne_Fellpool]

I lol'd at "statistical voodoo" in the OP.

Yes, math is witchcraft. /eyeroll

[Edli]

Well pld has amazing defensive CDs. Lets leave to war one of the few advantages it has, better aoe threat. The two tanks should have tradeoffs for their respective stronger points.

[Warlyx]

Well pld has amazing defensive CDs. Lets leave to war one of the few advantages it has, better aoe threat. The two tanks should have tradeoffs for their respective stronger points.

so the trade off for amazing CDS is tanking trash in 4 man easier ?

[Symbiant]

Well pld has amazing defensive CDs. Lets leave to war one of the few advantages it has, better aoe threat. The two tanks should have tradeoffs for their respective stronger points.

War has better threat period. If you stuck a pld and a war (exact race / similar / same stats) toe to toe doing just the regular hate cycle (not using cds) the war would take hate from the pld every time. It will happen in aoe and single target. Try it if you don't believe me.

That needs to be adjusted imo. Do not nerf the war of course because we do not need any nerfs.