MMORPGs moving to 1-10 MS server side polling

[Alukah]

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Have you ran Hullbreaker recently? Try playing around with the traps set before the first boss.

Though I'm sure I wont change your opinion, whenever this topic arises there's always people like you who rush to put the blame on the player while having zero knowledge about the servers. If it makes you feel any better then yeah, SE servers are perfect and flawless, those like us who are used to action games where constant dodging is needed are a bunch of liars, conspiring to defame SE.

[Tupsi]

Have you ran Hullbreaker recently? Try playing around with the traps set before the first boss.

Traps are finicky on a design level, not latency level or else everything else would have the same latency problem (slabs for the tablets, the sasquash realizing you've killed all monkeys etc.)

Though I'm sure I wont change your opinion, whenever this topic arises there's always people like you who rush to put the blame on the player

Because it's been proven and even confirmed by numerous ISPs time and time again - Level3.net/Sky and so on are the main culprits. There's zero, absolutely zero way to state that it's purely the game's fault when if I can get out of AoE's and you can't..that's not the game. If it was the game, no one would be able to dodge anything, ever. Game's don't selectively work for people like that, especially latency wise without there being user input error of some kind. You have a terrible net card on your mobo? You'll have issues - that's not the game. Your ISP routes through Level3.net and it's terrible? That's not the game. Your PS3 is old and breaking down? You'll have more issues than just on a latency level. The only factor in this is not: "It's SE's fault" or "It's SE's servers."

Look up Level3.net and MMORPGs, you're guaranteed to find even the companies who go through them complaining.

while having zero knowledge about the servers.

This is why people blame the players, because they have zero knowledge and thus blame SE. SE can make the perfect MMORPG with the perfect polling but if your ISP routes through a backbone that is absolutely trash, it's not going to matter one bit.

[Alukah]

Traps are finicky on a design level, not latency level or else everything else would have the same latency problem (slabs for the tablets, the sasquash realizing you've killed all monkeys etc.)

Not everything interacts with the server the same way... Not "everything else" needs to face exactly the same issues.

Because it's been proven and even confirmed by numerous ISPs time and time again - Level3.net/Sky and so on are the main culprits. There's zero, absolutely zero way to state that it's purely the game's fault when if I can get out of AoE's and you can't..that's not the game. If it was the game, no one would be able to dodge anything, ever. Game's don't selectively work for people like that, especially latency wise without there being user input error of some kind. You have a terrible net card on your mobo? You'll have issues - that's not the game. Your ISP routes through Level3.net and it's terrible? That's not the game. Your PS3 is old and breaking down? You'll have more issues than just on a latency level. The only factor in this is not: "It's SE's fault" or "It's SE's servers."

Look up Level3.net and MMORPGs, you're guaranteed to find even the companies who go through them complaining.

My net is not routed by level3, for me it's cogent, unless now you want to say all these providers are in the wrong and not SE.

This is why people blame the players, because they have zero knowledge and thus blame SE. SE can make the perfect MMORPG with the perfect polling but if your ISP routes through a backbone that is absolutely trash, it's not going to matter one bit.

I keep monitoring my net at all times when I play, if there was an issue on my or my ISP side I would know. SE could burn the world and there will be people like you shielding them from any responsibility.

Having both the cast bar and the AoE off sync and on separate timers with one going off before the other is still pretty bad design. Most competent MMOs with AoE markers have the cast bar visually implemented on the marker itself, with the marker filling up as the cast bar fills up too, but I guess some other MMOs do their own thing just because.

Shh SE can do no wrong, we are all just a bunch of baddies.

[Tiggy]

My net is not routed by level3, for me it's cogent, unless now you want to say all these providers are in the wrong and not SE.

Yes actually Cogent is on the list of crappy hops as well. Stop attacking Tupsi. This is incredibly well documented and you bringing the "prove it" hammer on Tupsi won't change what many of us already know. The internet in North America is in a terrible state. The problems have even been in the news in the last year. I don't understand why this stuff is so poorly known.

[Tupsi]

Not everything interacts with the server the same way... Not "everything else" needs to face exactly the same issues.

Not everything does, but things that I listed are a server interaction or else you could manipulate quite a lot of your progression client side without server interaction to 'confirm' what is going on.

My net is not routed by level3, for me it's cogent, unless now you want to say all these providers are in the wrong and not SE.

I route though Cogent as well. It's been confirmed already that the main issues has been routing, especially if you go through level3.net.

SE could burn the world and there will be people like you shielding them from any responsibility.

Ironically, your logic dictates that it can never be an issue on our end.

Yes actually Cogent is on the list of crappy hops as well. Stop attacking Tupsi. This is incredibly well documented and you bringing the "prove it" hammer on Tupsi won't change what many of us already know. The internet in North America is in a terrible state. The problems have even been in the news in the last year. I don't understand why this stuff is so poorly known.

Exactly, this is why outside of Google's own personal stuff, the infrastructure in America is just so...shoddy.

[Dwill]

Not everything interacts with the server the same way... Not "everything else" needs to face exactly the same issues.




My net is not routed by level3, for me it's cogent, unless now you want to say all these providers are in the wrong and not SE.



I keep monitoring my net at all times when I play, if there was an issue on my or my ISP side I would know. SE could burn the world and there will be people like you shielding them from any responsibility.



Shh SE can do no wrong, we are all just a bunch of baddies.

Tupsi is right here. There are issues that are outside players AND Square Enix's control. Like Tiggy said, it's pretty well known(and documented) so you attacking Square Enix for a problem that's not on their side just toss any credibility you might have had on the topic out of the window.

[Alukah]

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unless now you want to say all these providers are in the wrong and not SE.

Like I said I keep watch on every hop between my end and SE's end.

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You are the least person who should talk about credibility here, considering all you do on the forums is derail threads with off-topic arguments.

Please don't reply to me, save your and my time.

[Tupsi]

unless now you want to say all these providers are in the wrong and not SE.

Like I said I keep watch on every hop between my end and SE's end.

The typical time out is indeed in the route between you and SE's servers. No matter how much you want to say it is purely on SE's end, that's simply...not the case.

[Dwill]

You are the least person who should talk about credibility here, considering all you do on the forums is derail threads with off-topic arguments.

Please don't reply to me, save your and my time.

Yes, because my comment was totally off-topic . Feel free to question my credibility (which is kind of funny, because most of you questioning it just hate being called on your claims and can rarely disprove anything I bring forth), I at least acknowledge facts when they are brought to the table and do not blindly finger point and jump on the "It's Square Enix's fault!" bandwagon.

[Fornix]

Though I'm sure I wont change your opinion, whenever this topic arises there's always people like you who rush to put the blame on the player while having zero knowledge about the servers. If it makes you feel any better then yeah, SE servers are perfect and flawless, those like us who are used to action games where constant dodging is needed are a bunch of liars, conspiring to defame SE.

I'm starting to doubt your reading comprehension, so let me just bold it out for you this time:

A - There are no net issues, they're simply slow.
B - There are net issues, within the player's own network.
C - There are net issues, within the player's ISP network.
D - There are net issues, somewhere along the route between the player's ISP and the last node prior to the FFXIV's data center.

And less likely, as it'd involve many more players:
E - There are net issues, within the FFXIV data center's ISP.
F - There are net issues, within the FFXIV data center.
G - There are net issues, within the player's specific server clust / server / however hardware wise SE has hooked their systems up.

Bolded is out of player's control.

E/F/G would also be out of player's control, but are very unlikely to be the cause considering as to how whenever issues there would occur, (close to) all players would be affected.