[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[Seikninkuru]

There is no problem in comparison, but what was said was that this 'Specialization' idea was mashing WoW on top of FFXIV, and that isn't the case. Hence why he asked the poster to leave.

Probably a bit abrupt and even rude, but given how much Kuro has responded to the exact same remark from previous posters and his involvement with the debate on this thread, it is hard to fault him for snapping a bit at a post that seemingly ignored 45+ pages of previous posts.

Comparison is fine, but trying to boil down any of these suggestions into : "that's just wow" is a little trite in itself, and not really a participation in discussion or feedback.

The OP itself shows that talent trees are just being used as a 'placeholder' for whatever GUI would be implemented.

Personally, I don't want to see a WoW talent tree pop up in my FFXIV... I would quit the game right there. But if they took the exact same progression, bonuses, and abilities, and popped into a GUI that looked like a Sphere Grid, I would be hooked.

That was a point made in the OP. That the GUI is up for debate, but seeing as the many players are familiar with the 'talent tree' in MMOs it makes a better placeholder for whatever original GUI SE chooses to use.

The second point being, that within this system you can STILL level all classes, and switch between them whenever you like. You are only restricted to whatever Advanced class you choose at the time, and this class can be switched in town or via quest at your choosing. It is clearly stated in the OP.

The OP system is nothing like WoW, you don't make alts, you continue your adventures on one character, growing with each experience and class change. If anything it is more like FFXI's system than the one we currently have in FFXIV.

TLDR: Kuro had pretty good reason for saying that this post ignored the OP and the past 45 pages, even if he was a bit rude about it. The poster either needs to read the OP and respond with insight, or suffer being potentially ignored by the rest of the debate.

Still curious why we need class names to define playstyle, when you explain that in a form other than that FFXi or FF (insert number here) did so, we can talk. Thanks.


-Have fun!

[Shazaam]

Still curious why we need class names to define playstyle, when you explain that in a form other than that FFXi or FF (insert number here) did so, we can talk. Thanks.


-Have fun!

It's not just about class names. Those are just flavor to add the 'FF feel' and potentially draw back in players that quit the game over a frustration of it being a generic MMO as opposed to FF.

The true draw of the 'advanced classes' is to specialize roles. So you can specialize in being a tank, a controller, a healer, a magic nuker, a ranged DD, a melee DD, a buffer... etc.

That is why we need to define playstyle. The class names are just a way to do it, and one that I think just about every FFXIV player present or future would be behind. Not to mention the history and lore behind something as simple as the name 'Red Mage' or 'Dragoon'.

If I need to explain without using past FF games, then the FF MMO could just as well be called Eorzean Adventures. Love it or hate it, the FF name brings in players who want to experience the FF mythos online.

Most chose (and will choose) the game to play a Final Fantasy, not to play a random MMO offering.

[Seikninkuru]

It's not just about class names. Those are just flavor to add the 'FF feel' and potentially draw back in players that quit the game over a frustration of it being a generic MMO as opposed to FF.

The true draw of the 'advanced classes' is to specialize roles. So you can specialize in being a tank, a controller, a healer, a magic nuker, a ranged DD, a melee DD, a buffer... etc.

That is why we need to define playstyle. The class names are just a way to do it, and one that I think just about every FFXIV player present or future would be behind. Not to mention the history and lore behind something as simple as the name 'Red Mage' or 'Dragoon'.

If I need to explain without using past FF games, then the FF MMO could just as well be called Eorzean Adventures. Love it or hate it, the FF name brings in players who want to experience the FF mythos online.

Most chose (and will choose) the game to play a Final Fantasy, not to play a random MMO offering.

You are essentially saying people feel they do not have a role if they so choose to designate themselves to do something unconvential correct?


What I'm saying is you are playing with people who won't play with a person who specifies in debuffs, because its not as good as a 3rd guy who can spam cure?

If that is true, then isn't the problem the abilities and not the system?

Thanks!

-have Fun

[Shazaam]

You are essentially saying people feel they do not have a role if they so choose to designate themselves to do something unconvential correct?

Umm... How I mine for fish?

Thanks!

-have Fun

[Seikninkuru]

Umm... How I mine for fish?

Thanks!

-have Fun

Are you confused by what i say? My question is:

Are you saying people are confused because they can use abilities to define who they are rather than a class they pick at start select?


Futhermore, if you feel so, you would want them to pick that class after X levels rather than at start?

What do you want? Character indivudality or classes you level.

I'll be more simple.

Pick a class, level it, be the class you choose to level at 30 25, 10, or 1.

or

choose your class as you grow as a character.


Thanks!

- Have fun

[Shazaam]

Are you confused by what i say?

Very much so. These are the English forums right?

[Seikninkuru]

Very much so. These are the English forums right?

They are, and I'm sorry if I confuse you. Could you expand upon what is confusing you so i would better explain?

Thanks!

-have fun