[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[Sorel]

Ahh I see, thats why we're not on the same page. I'm a person that encourages people to do their job and perform well at it. I'm a min-maxer, an FFXI BG poster, a WoW Elitist Jerks poster - you on the other hand are the type that plays what you want regardless of whether or not its good.

OMG, I think your right! I've been wondering why we have been able to have intelligent reasonable discourse on this, but why we can't find any middle ground. If we were climbing Mount Everest together, you would be trying to get to the top as best as you can, while I would be exploring every cave on the way up. I'm of the philosophy that the nature of a character should determine their class/job/stats, not the other way around.

A good example is my current character. He follows the philosophy of the Life-giving Sword & the Life-taking Sword. As such, when he's a Gladiator, he doesn't use shields. They are a cowardly piece of equipment to him. That character idiosyncrasy means that he'll always take more damage than a Gladiator that uses a shield. But that is his signature style of swordsmanship. It's that character's playstyle. I enjoy being able to create and choose my character's playstyle.

But, everyone is different. If all men liked the same thing we'd all be married to the same woman. Anyway, I think we have an understanding now. I'll stay subscribed to the thread, because it's a good read and I'd like to see how you progress in finalizing the system, but I'll try not to trouble you with any more antagonizing questions.

[javid]

change of thought!! gla= nin/pld mrd= drk/musk (cor) lnc= sam/viking (drg/dnc) arc= bst/?? conj= smn/brd thm= smn/??

[Dyvid]

So would the Dark Knight be using a sword and shield too?

[Kurokikaze]

In the OP:

Get really creative with these talents; introduce new weapon types that can only be used with that talent. Dark Knight will be able to equip Great Swords. Another talent that would work with Dark Knight is one that increases the player's damage if they use both hands for a weapon. This will make Gladiators doing the Dark Knight path shy away from shields. I'm just throwing a few ideas here but the possibilities are endless by mixing the Armory System with specs.

And yeah Soren... If you came to my group to tank without a shield because you want to satisfy your philosophy which is actually roleplaying I would be the one to kick you. Not because you're roleplaying (I've no problem with that - I play on an RPPVP server in WoW) but because you won't be able to perform as well as someone who is using a shield. lol

[Sorel]

And yeah Sorel... If you came to my group to tank without a shield I would be the one to kick you. lol

Fair enough, but my character is a DD, not a tank, so I wouldn't ask to join a group if it was looking for someone to tank.

[Shazaam]

Fair enough, but my character is a DD, not a tank, so I wouldn't ask to join a group if it was looking for someone to tank.

And I put on my Wizard's Hat and Robe.... Are there girls? If there are Girls I WANT TO TALK TO THEM!

/em casts magic missle into the darkness

Edit: fight troll with troll... bad idea... but still funny post in my eyes... my bloodshot eyes... my bloodshot eyes are burning red...

[Shazaam]

So would the Dark Knight be using a sword and shield too?

As far as I understand it, not really. You would be using a sword-type weapon, be it a great sword or a sycthe-melee weapon that used sword skill. You would still gain sword points towards raising your base GLD class, and perhaps points towards raising your base THM class, while still gaining points towards your DRK advanced class.

If you decide that you want to switch to PLD, then the abilities and skill points earned towards your base GLD class while leveling DRK would still remain, but your PLD advance class and 'tree' would be at the minimum (or lvl 1). But you would still have access to all the base GLD skill you had obtained while leveling your PLD.

Of course, if you wanted to use a sword and shield as a DRK and use pure GLD skills augmented by the DRK 'tree' you could. You could probably even tank... but elitist groups and endgame content wouldn't want you to. But you could if you wanted to. Not optimal, but viable.... and who knows, maybe even the best way to bend the rules (Drk/nin Kraken club?).
At least that is my understanding of the system.

[Kurokikaze]

I would consider DRKs Great Sword specific just because thats what they were pre-XI and it falls in line with our Weapon = Class. Great Swords are a type of sword and would fall under Swordplay. Only logical.

In my scenario:

I'm not using any FFT system so DRK and THM would be unrelated. In Solracht's THM would be a pre-req to unlock DRK. We're both using the same system more or less but with some changes/modifications here and there.

Also the points are Base Class specific so they can be used to acquire other Base Class' abilities as well. Meaning if you maxed out on PLD and decide you wanna play DRK you just take your points and go into that tree.

[Dyvid]

Honestly Kuro I think we all have the same concept, just different ways to going about it. At the end of the day though, the Devs are going to read them all, get a feel of what the community wants, and develop something loosely tailored to those ideas.

[Shazaam]

I would consider DRKs Great Sword specific just because thats what they were pre-XI and it falls in line with our Weapon = Class. Great Swords are a type of sword and would fall under Swordplay. Only logical.
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The only 'change' I made to that system in my last post was to make 'melee scythes' or 'Great scythes' a swd-type weapon so they still fall into the same system while still being different from the Botanist sub-tool.

Same exact theory as Kaze, just making a new weapon that would fit into the same system and still give the 'masses' what they want... if they want it. Easy fix, Great sword and great scythe both fit under sword (GLD base class), but PLD advanced class can only use the Great sword or sword and shield, and the 'Great Scythes' items have a DRK only modifier attached to them so only DRK can use them. All weapons are still under the GLD base class.

Just adding the scythes because we know future DRKs will want to use them... it's inevitable.

EDIT: yeah I know that scythes aren't like swords... but then we would have to put them under marauder for a weapon and make DRK a marauder based class with branches out to berserker or drk and remove DRK from the GLD skill set and then add RDM to the GLD set...etc..etc...

it's all semantics... I only wanted to show how a fan-favorite weapon could be added within the proposed system without any major changes to said system. The same theory applies to your guns, katanas, pikes, crossbows, etc...etc..

EDIT 2: Really, DRK should be a Marauder advanced class though... RDM fits far better under the GLD skill tree.