[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[Kurokikaze]

Yes you can do that. But is that good? Not in the slightest bit. You've essentially wasted action points because you will be outperformed by every other Archer that is boosting their attack by using their points to get abilities that do that from other classes as opposed to a spell they wont ever use.

Ahh I see, thats why we're not on the same page. I'm a person that encourages people to do their job and perform well at it. I'm a min-maxer, an FFXI BG poster, a WoW Elitist Jerks poster - you on the other hand are the type that plays what you want regardless of whether or not its good.

We will never agree. So I give up.

[Shazaam]

Ahh I see, thats why we're not on the same page. I'm a person that encourages people to do their job and perform well at it. I'm a min-maxer, an FFXI BG poster, a WoW Elitist Jerks poster - you on the other hand are the type that plays what you want regardless of whether or not its good.

We will never agree. So I give up.

I am with kaze on this, and similarily, a BG poster when I played FFXI and an elitist jerks reader when I played WoW... but I think that this is the kind of theorycraft and conjecture that are reflective of a game with limits that give true depth and 'replay-ability' that encourages both veterans and newcomers in this genre.

The base theory here does not make the game 'more restrictive than FFXI', it allows the game to be less restrictive than FFXI. Which was far less restrictive than WoW.

You have one character that can potentially change to any class anytime you chose.

The specializations of any advanced class may have to be changed in a city, but you could change from a specialized tank to a specialized healer to a specialized debuffer on the fly in the middle of a party. This is the most freedom that any MMO could possibly offer.

If you want to be a 'Spellarcher', either stick to the paper and pencil format, or try to find a dev tag for the battle system that would let you do the things shown in the opening movie... like a fireshot or freeze shot. (I think that might be what they are aiming for with the combat system revamp anyway... at least I hope it is... with battle regiments becoming more like combo skills... even a 'Meteo' cast by three different mages? FFXI or FFIV anyone?)

[Sorel]

Ahh I see, thats why we're not on the same page. I'm a person that encourages people to do their job and perform well at it. I'm a min-maxer, an FFXI BG poster, a WoW Elitist Jerks poster - you on the other hand are the type that plays what you want regardless of whether or not its good.

OMG, I think your right! I've been wondering why we have been able to have intelligent reasonable discourse on this, but why we can't find any middle ground. If we were climbing Mount Everest together, you would be trying to get to the top as best as you can, while I would be exploring every cave on the way up. I'm of the philosophy that the nature of a character should determine their class/job/stats, not the other way around.

A good example is my current character. He follows the philosophy of the Life-giving Sword & the Life-taking Sword. As such, when he's a Gladiator, he doesn't use shields. They are a cowardly piece of equipment to him. That character idiosyncrasy means that he'll always take more damage than a Gladiator that uses a shield. But that is his signature style of swordsmanship. It's that character's playstyle. I enjoy being able to create and choose my character's playstyle.

But, everyone is different. If all men liked the same thing we'd all be married to the same woman. Anyway, I think we have an understanding now. I'll stay subscribed to the thread, because it's a good read and I'd like to see how you progress in finalizing the system, but I'll try not to trouble you with any more antagonizing questions.