[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[solracht]

I guess I did. I apologize for my ignorance. Can you please lay out what I am missing?

Since you quoted my system, I'll reply too. The compromise system doesn't have jobs starting at level 1. It has specs as explained in Kuro's main post.

Two things could happen with things like Raise: either it's removed from conjurer's base line of skills an added to the WHM/RDM/etc trees, or it's left as it is but the WHM/RDM trees boost them.

I'm not against either, but there wouldn't be a level 1 WHM/RDM/BLM casting Raise if you had a rank 50 conjurer, regardless, because at rank 50, after the changes, you'd have enough job/talent points to max out WHM/RDM/BLM right away (assuming job/talent points are assigned simply for ranking up like in other games such as WoW, Rift, etc).

More on this: Something that was being discussed was whether job points would be awarded simply for ranking up the class, or if you would have to do anything else to obtain them.

Some people are against being able to instantly switch to a max-specced DRK after leveling as PLD for your entire Gladiator career, and some are fine with that. I don't care about which approach is taken.

However if you have to do something to gain job points, it can't be too annoying - certainly nothing of the scale of ranking a class to 50.

[Kurokikaze]

It think its funny when people say "I like Solrachts idea" considering we're on the same team. lol

/high five

[Sorel]

Theres more than just classes to this post.

I'm reorganizing spells and splitting them across the specs in a way that make sense so that the base class only has generic skills that can be used cross-class. Raise is not a generic skill, that is a WHM ability and it would be in that spec.

Now let's say they implement this that way some of us are envisioning; again - what are you going to do with players that have classes at 50 in future balancing for content is being based off the fact that every player will be playing as a particular spec.

Your proposal is to make them start over from scratch pretty much.

Well I have not really proposed anything to be honest. But I think I get what you are saying. My understanding is crude, so please correct me when I make a mistake.

• Rebuild the Armory System classes so that abilities like Raise, Chainspell, Cover, etc ... are removed from them.
• Add the ability for classes to become Jobs. Various jobs will have the abilities that were removed.
• Player wiill start at the same level job as their rank in their Armory Class.

So if I'm a Rank 40 Conjurer right now. And SE adopts the change being proposed. The next day, I will no longer have Chainspell, Raise, or Fastcast. But I will be able to become a Red Mage 40 with Fastcast and Chainspell, or a White Mage 40 with Raise.

Will I have the option to be both, and switch at will?

[solracht]

It think its funny when people say "I like Solrachts idea" considering we're on the same team. lol

/high five

To be fair, the first picture I released around here was solely based on a FFT advance with jobs. Thing is, even in that system you could've applied your specs to the finished jobs, it would've just meant twice as much leveling.

Like I said a few pages back, these ideas are all actually very close (and are just being presented very differently) or could easily be integrated into each other, it's just a matter of finding a good middle ground.

/highfive indeed

[Kurokikaze]

Well I have not really proposed anything to be honest. But I think I get what you are saying. My understanding is crude, so please correct me when I make a mistake.

• Rebuild the Armory System classes so that abilities like Raise, Chainspell, Cover, etc ... are removed from them.
• Add the ability for classes to become Jobs. Various jobs will have the abilities that were removed.
• Player wiill start at the same level job as their rank in their Armory Class.

So if I'm a Rank 40 Conjurer right now. And SE adopts the change being proposed. The next day, I will no longer have Chainspell, Raise, or Fastcast. But I will be able to become a Red Mage 40 with Fastcast and Chainspell, or a White Mage 40 with Raise.

Will I have the option to be both, and switch at will?

Yes and yes. Er not both at once obviously but switch at will yes.

[Sorel]

It's the phrase

The second idea is that the traditional names would be more of a subset or specialization within the existing classes.

that leads me to believe that the existing classes will STILL EXIST, but with specializations of the traditional names within them.

I could be obtuse, but nothing from the interview said that existing classes are being consider for removal or renaming.

[solracht]

So if I'm a Rank 40 Conjurer right now. And SE adopts the change being proposed. The next day, I will no longer have Chainspell, Raise, or Fastcast. But I will be able to become a Red Mage 40 with Fastcast and Chainspell, or a White Mage 40 with Raise.

Will I have the option to be both, and switch at will?

That's exactly it, but you'd technically still be a Conjurer in either case. The difference being whether you're a Conjurer specced into Red Mage, or Conjurer specced into White mage. Conjurer still exists, however.

You would be able to be both to an extent - if they allowed things such as dual-specs in WoW, or soul templates in Rift. With the press of a button, you could switch between your RDM build, or your WHM build. Or between two RDM builds, possibly.

[Kurokikaze]

It's the phrase


that leads me to believe that the existing classes will STILL EXIST, but with specializations of the traditional names within them.

I could be obtuse, but nothing from the interview said that existing classes are being consider for removal or renaming.

Thats what this is.

[Jabo]

^ This is something I could go with. Except I think the R30 is a bit too high, I think 20 would be better since they're trying to make it more casual.

Rank 20 makes no sense, cause you can easily hit that in less than 2h...

Like the idea, but for me it has to be atleast Rank 40+. (Rank 50 would be like the old level 30 FFXI IMO)

class uniqueness and specialistations can easily be archieved with passive traits.

[solracht]

Rank 20 makes no sense, cause you can easily hit that in less than 2h...

Like the idea, but for me it has to be atleast Rank 40+. (Rank 50 would be like the old level 30 FFXI IMO)

It's not about leveling as gladiator to become a paladin, it's about choosing to be a paladin as your gladiator. It can't be an endgame goal, it's a leveling/advancement path.