[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[Sorel]

Yeah ok. But what are you going to do about all the people that have maxed level classes now? I don't think its fair that people's progress on the current classes is going to be irrelevant because the Advanced classes are whats going to be used.

Every 50 on this forums is going to have start over for a specializations.. Thats not right.

I agree. That why in Solracht's compromise system, I believe that Rank 50 Conjurer will still have their Raise ability as a Level 1 WHM, RDM, or BLM.

Naturally, we would want the White Mage to have bonuses increasing Raise's effectiveness or reduced MP cost for it, the Black Mage to have increased costs and effectiveness penalties, and the Red Mage to have neither bonus nor penalty for using the Raise that the Rank 50 Conjurer earned.

[Elcura]

Maybe give them 1.5x specialization points for every level after 30 they obtained. That way they'll still be level 30 in a class and everyone only at 30 will be level 1.

Or like Kuro is suggesting, that if you're 50 you already have the points ready to use, but that doesn't mean that you need to be level 50 to start using that specialization.

If you gain 1 spec point for every level after 30, if your jobs are 50 you start with 20 points ready to go. Where as if you don't, you change at 30 and then need to gain spec points as you level up.

[Ursok]

Yes I can see your concerns for the people that are allready 50. but why is it imposible to have current classes actually be fixed into a class that works and feel's unique and is usefull in it's own way and just as valid as any of the advanced jobs. people would lose nothing then.

[Kurokikaze]

I agree. That why in Solracht's compromise system, I believe that Rank 50 Conjurer will still have their Raise ability as a Level 1 WHM, RDM, or BLM.

Naturally, we would want the White Mage to have bonuses increasing Raise's effectiveness or reduced MP cost for it, the Black Mage to have increased costs and effectiveness penalties, and the Red Mage to have neither bonus nor penalty for using the Raise that the Rank 50 Conjurer earned.

You missed the point entirely.

[Sorel]

You missed the point entirely.

I guess I did. I apologize for my ignorance. Can you please lay out what I am missing?

[Kurokikaze]

Yes I can see your concerns for the people that are allready 50. but why is it imposible to have current classes actually be fixed into a class that works and feel's unique and is usefull in it's own way and just as valid as any of the advanced jobs. people would lose nothing then.

Because the devs are considering changing the names back to FF names so that people can be more familiar with the classes. I'm outlining a way to do that that makes sense while introducing new elements and providing fixes that the game desperately needs.

[Sorel]

Because the devs are considering changing the names back to FF names so that people can be more familiar with the classes. I'm outlining a way to do that that makes sense while introducing new elements and providing fixes that the game desperately needs.

I remember Naoki Yoshida saying that they were going to ADD traditional Final Fantasy job names to the game. I don't recall any interview or letter saying that they were going to CHANGE the names of existing classes. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

[Elcura]

I guess I did. I apologize for my ignorance. Can you please lay out what I am missing?

It's to not start from scratch if you have a level 50 job because no one is using the basic jobs as they are anymore.

[Kurokikaze]

I guess I did. I apologize for my ignorance. Can you please lay out what I am missing?

Theres more than just classes to this post.

I'm reorganizing spells and splitting them across the specs in a way that make sense so that the base class only has generic skills that can be used cross-class. Raise is not a generic skill, that is a WHM ability and it would be in that spec.

Now let's say they implement this that way some of us are envisioning; again - what are you going to do with players that have classes at 50 in future balancing for content is being based off the fact that every player will be playing as a particular spec.

Your proposal is to make them start over from scratch pretty much.

[Kurokikaze]

I remember Naoki Yoshida saying that they were going to ADD traditional Final Fantasy job names to the game. I don't recall any interview or letter saying that they were going to CHANGE the names of existing classes. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Er mistake: That's on the lodestone.

Let's start with a quote from Eorzapedia:
Yoshida-san is between two possible plans at this time. The first idea is that the traditional names would be introduced as “higher” or “advanced” classes. The traditional classes would thus be something of a goal for players. The second idea is that the traditional names would be more of a subset or specialization within the existing classes.

This is in the OP.